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moffkalast 4y ago
Honestly I half wish we had some kind of supergiant company on this side of the pond too, despite the drawbacks that brings at least it would guarantee some sense of digital stability. I've had my gmail account for probably more than a decade now and have never had to worry about it going amiss, meanwhile I look at this list of barely legit sounding names (aside from Proton) and wonder if any of these will be still around in a few years.
- xphx 4y ago
  Web.de was founded in 1995 and GMX in '97. Both now belong to the gigantic German United Internet AG founded in '88 which currently has roughly 10,000 employees and EUR 5.5bn revenue.
  - hourago 4y ago
    European companies lack the self grandiose promotion that USA companies have. But I think that it is a good thing. I wish USA corporations and CEOs chilled a little.
zamalek 4y ago
The US is slowly bleeding its tech supremacy to EU. I guess losing manufacturing to China wasn't lesson enough.
- 988747 4y ago
  What? No, that won't happen, at least not in the next 100 years. Europe is just too far behind, technologically.
  - the_duke 4y ago
    In a sense Europe isn't really behind, there is lots of know how, research and small-ish companies in the software and hardware space. There is no Google or Apple or Microsoft though, and accordingly a lot of the network effects and institutional knowledge is lacking. I do very much concur that there is no European competition for US IT supremacy on the horizon any time in the next decades. China is a different story...
  - jorvi 4y ago
    > Europe is just too far behind, technologically. A laughable statement. Who was it again that was pleading on their knees to reserve ASML capacity for them?
  - pjmlp 4y ago
    With researchers that are from European background, with geopolitics forcing an end into globalization, things will slowly turn into another way.
  - Bayart 4y ago
    Yeah, we got to work in donkey carts. Seriously...
- kryptiskt 4y ago
  I'm pessimistic. Whatever European alternative that will pop up to serve this market will hardly be fit to compete internationally, selling to schools and governments means jumping through hoops to provide an adequate service at an adequate price, that's not the way to build a FAANG competitor. Aside from Spotify there really isn't any top-tier European internet companies with global reach. It's even worse in consumer electronics. There are bits and pieces in other tech, but really, challenging the US isn't a reasonable goal at this point.
- FreqSep 4y ago
  Well that’s just not true. And a webpage of “European Alternatives” that 99.99% of Europeans have never heard of, much less come even remotely close to adopting, means nothing.
GekkePrutser 4y ago
I think ChromeOS is the hardest. Having a computer that completely reinstalls itself from the cloud when the user 'inadvertently' breaks it, is huge for schools. For companies it's not a big deal because their users know what responsibility is. And you can fire them otherwise. Schools don't have that privilege.
- 0xedd 4y ago
  Installing over network is ancient. Here's one option https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19127-01/ultra27.ws/820-6772/z40006411012373/index.html https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19127-01/ultra27.ws/820-6772/z40...
  - candiodari 4y ago
    ... and making it work for 50 different laptop models, all in slightly different ways and with slightly different software is a lot of work. Plus it just doesn't work over the internet. Add to that that without chromeOS you've essentially got one choice: windows. So you'll be finding out all about spyware that rootkits the OS, and constant amazement at just how many different rootkits kids can get installed on a single machine. Hell, when I was in school, I wrote a custom rootkit (bo2k like) and installed it on machines. That was fun and instructive. (I know technically you can make it work over the internet but it takes very capable admins to make that work) And yes, I hacked the school, but that was through unsecured shared folders and seeing a teacher enter people's grades in excel, not through the rootkit. That I was caught doing (because I decided to "expose" the school by giving a friend's sister her grades 2 weeks in advance, and their parents went to management. I was in detention "for the rest of the year" and I was lucky that 2 teachers demanded I would be allowed to sit my exams because I was the best in their classes)
- pjmlp 4y ago
  Thankfully Europe is not US in this regard, here ChromeOS is hardly something to worry about.
  - mrweasel 4y ago

moffkalast 4y ago

Honestly I half wish we had some kind of supergiant company on this side of the pond too, despite the drawbacks that brings at least it would guarantee some sense of digital stability. I've had my gmail account for probably more than a decade now and have never had to worry about it going amiss, meanwhile I look at this list of barely legit sounding names (aside from Proton) and wonder if any of these will be still around in a few years.

xphx 4y ago
Web.de was founded in 1995 and GMX in '97. Both now belong to the gigantic German United Internet AG founded in '88 which currently has roughly 10,000 employees and EUR 5.5bn revenue.
- hourago 4y ago
  European companies lack the self grandiose promotion that USA companies have. But I think that it is a good thing. I wish USA corporations and CEOs chilled a little.

zamalek 4y ago

The US is slowly bleeding its tech supremacy to EU. I guess losing manufacturing to China wasn't lesson enough.

988747 4y ago
What? No, that won't happen, at least not in the next 100 years. Europe is just too far behind, technologically.
- the_duke 4y ago
  In a sense Europe isn't really behind, there is lots of know how, research and small-ish companies in the software and hardware space. There is no Google or Apple or Microsoft though, and accordingly a lot of the network effects and institutional knowledge is lacking. I do very much concur that there is no European competition for US IT supremacy on the horizon any time in the next decades. China is a different story...
- jorvi 4y ago
  > Europe is just too far behind, technologically. A laughable statement. Who was it again that was pleading on their knees to reserve ASML capacity for them?
- pjmlp 4y ago
  With researchers that are from European background, with geopolitics forcing an end into globalization, things will slowly turn into another way.
- Bayart 4y ago
  Yeah, we got to work in donkey carts. Seriously...
kryptiskt 4y ago
I'm pessimistic. Whatever European alternative that will pop up to serve this market will hardly be fit to compete internationally, selling to schools and governments means jumping through hoops to provide an adequate service at an adequate price, that's not the way to build a FAANG competitor. Aside from Spotify there really isn't any top-tier European internet companies with global reach. It's even worse in consumer electronics. There are bits and pieces in other tech, but really, challenging the US isn't a reasonable goal at this point.
FreqSep 4y ago
Well that’s just not true. And a webpage of “European Alternatives” that 99.99% of Europeans have never heard of, much less come even remotely close to adopting, means nothing.

GekkePrutser 4y ago

I think ChromeOS is the hardest. Having a computer that completely reinstalls itself from the cloud when the user 'inadvertently' breaks it, is huge for schools. For companies it's not a big deal because their users know what responsibility is. And you can fire them otherwise. Schools don't have that privilege.

0xedd 4y ago
Installing over network is ancient. Here's one option https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19127-01/ultra27.ws/820-6772/z40006411012373/index.html https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19127-01/ultra27.ws/820-6772/z40...
- candiodari 4y ago
  ... and making it work for 50 different laptop models, all in slightly different ways and with slightly different software is a lot of work. Plus it just doesn't work over the internet. Add to that that without chromeOS you've essentially got one choice: windows. So you'll be finding out all about spyware that rootkits the OS, and constant amazement at just how many different rootkits kids can get installed on a single machine. Hell, when I was in school, I wrote a custom rootkit (bo2k like) and installed it on machines. That was fun and instructive. (I know technically you can make it work over the internet but it takes very capable admins to make that work) And yes, I hacked the school, but that was through unsecured shared folders and seeing a teacher enter people's grades in excel, not through the rootkit. That I was caught doing (because I decided to "expose" the school by giving a friend's sister her grades 2 weeks in advance, and their parents went to management. I was in detention "for the rest of the year" and I was lucky that 2 teachers demanded I would be allowed to sit my exams because I was the best in their classes)
pjmlp 4y ago
Thankfully Europe is not US in this regard, here ChromeOS is hardly something to worry about.
- mrweasel 4y ago