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In Canada, there is this weird faux pas where asking for market rate gets you flagged for a position that requires in reality less than 4 years of experience re
by upupandup 4y ago
In Canada, there is this weird faux pas where asking for market rate gets you flagged for a position that requires in reality less than 4 years of experience require significantly more as it is very much still a employer's market. (4 year experience job requires now 8~10 year exp without the salary to reflect this)
I can see significant strains in hiring because of this cultural backward thinking. If you don't list your salary range, you simply won't get applicants other than the truly desperate.
If you don't offer a competitive market rate you are not going to find quality people or very motivated workers.
It's no surprise that Canada has massive brain drain, especially in the West Coast. Those that stay, like to gaslight and come up with a dozen reasons why a haircut is justified to live in the warm part of Canada.
In the long run, Canada is absolutely going to lose relevancy economically. 1 out of 5 immigrants leave in the first 4 years, record number of Canadians/PR are leaving Canada permanently.
- BlargMcLarg 4y agoNot unique to Canada at all, FWIW. Demanding top level skills while paying market rate at best has been going on for years now. Employers just don't want to change, and a lot of candidates are still accepting the circumstances. Especially noticeable with the whole cloud + microservices + event queue craze, since very few companies do anything with this yet, so few people actually accrue the knowledge they require, and most projects where the benefits of these shine are not projects individuals will tend to pick up.
- upupandup 4y agowhat are you seeing right now with the whole cloud/MS/CQRS scene? Seems like after serverless took off more companies are pondering whether they need kubernetes at all. Yet I still see K8 positions without salary expectations. I wonder if companies will be able to afford the upkeep with these shops that hopped on the K8 wagon early before serverless was a thing.
- BlargMcLarg 4y agoEurope is lagging by a few years. They started demanding anything junior or above knows about cloud/MS/CQRS a few years ago while most of the local bigger names and below (Tier 2) have barely any inhouse knowledge beyond a few week 1 tutorials.
- ipaddr 4y agoI've noticed posting of salary ranges that are above market rate but when you speak to the company the real range is lower and when you go on glassdoor current salaries are much lower than their real range.
- whimsicalism 4y agoReally having trouble parsing this sentence: > In Canada, there is this weird faux pas where asking for market rate gets you flagged for a position that requires in reality less than 4 years of experience require significantly more as it is very much still a employer's market.