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The point of military spending is to prevent war by creating a strong deterrent that encourages diplomacy. It’s not to start wars, that’s why it’s called defens

The point of military spending is to prevent war by creating a strong deterrent that encourages diplomacy. It’s not to start wars, that’s why it’s called defense spending. (I’m not arguing the US always does this right.)

kevin_thibedeau 4y ago
That doesn't work when you have a belligerent who needs to get itself into conflicts every 15 years to keep its experience levels up and foment conflict abroad in the "off season" to support its MIC.
- hanselot 4y ago
wing-_-nuts 4y ago
The continental united states is surrounded by two friendly neighbors that are not a threat to us. We are separated from our nearest peer adversaries by thousands of miles of ocean, and their entire military doctrine revolves around defending themselves from us. We could get by with a tiny fraction of our 700B+ / yr defense budget. One wonders how much better a society we would be if we spent that on things that would actually benefit the average citizen, or did something unthinkable like actually paying down debt.
- sharkweek 4y ago
  If that happened, we'd invade ourselves to prevent such a country from developing.
- ckw 4y ago
- throwaway6734 4y ago
  So give away the strength of the dollar and the ease of international trade?
  - wing-_-nuts 4y ago
    Our military has nothing to do with the strength of the dollar. That is totally reliant on the strength of our economy.
    - orestarod 4y ago
      > Our military has nothing to do with the strength of the dollar. That is totally reliant on the strength of our economy. The strength of the dollar is all about beating whoever disagrees with its role as the oil exchange currency to submission, because that is its current base for its demand. Libya was not invaded because the West suddenly remembered that Kandafi is a dictator. Iraq was not invaded because suddenly WMD were found (did they ever find another tale to cover their reasons?), Syria was not made into anarchy because the West wanted the Syrian people to be free. They all had one common point near the time of invasion. So yes the military does play a big role.
- water8 4y ago
  ICBMs make this a moot point
  - wing-_-nuts 4y ago
    Which is why we would have nukes, a national guard sufficient to defend the homeland, and little else.
- throwaway894345 4y ago
  > their entire military doctrine revolves around defending themselves from us. I mean, Russia invades and China taunts its neighbors pretty regularly, so clearly their military is focused on more than defense from the US (as if we have any interest in an offensive war against them in the first place). The US military keeps those countries in check, so of course they focus on how they can “defend” against our military. The extent to which Russia and China are scheming against the US military is the extent to which they aren’t invading their neighbors, which is precisely the value the US military provides, and indeed that Russia is invading Ukraine is a failure of the US government to respond firmly to previous invasions (no, not direct military conflict with Russia). The idea that the US or the world can enjoy meaningful peace while withdrawing from the global theater is dangerously naive. There’s no world in which we pull back without oppressive dictatorships rushing to fill the void.
  - wing-_-nuts 4y ago
    It's not our 'job' to be the world police. We've been effectively subsidizing social spending in LATAM and europe for decades now. Other countries would simply have to increase their defense spending as necessary to keep themselves safe. I don't think there is any role for the US military beyond defending US soil. I'm tired of propping up our bloated military industrial complex on the premise that we are solely responsible for world peace.
    - Paradigma11 4y ago
      I hope you are prepared for many more russian and/or china backed regimes in africa/se asia. This would put any ressource extraction/trade from these regions in the hands of Putin/Xi. Expect some unforeseen problems at the most unfortunate economic moments.
      - wing-_-nuts 4y ago
        If it doesn't happen to US citizens on US soil, it's not our place to directly intervene with boots on the ground. We can manage international relations with diplomacy and trade.
anthonypasq 4y ago
this is a tad naive to say the least
breakyerself 4y ago
Considering how frequently we put our weapons of war to use ruining the lives of poor people around the world I would say that theory has been disproved. The US is virtually always at war.
- throwaway894345 4y ago
  What do people think happens if the US withdraws from the global theater and doesn’t maintain its military capabilities? Do we really think that Russia or China would settle for regional skirmishes, and the world would be at peace? The US is very often at war, but there are greater evils than the US bombing ISIS even with the commensurate civilian casualties (hint: few other military powers are so scrupulous about civilian casualties).
  - orestarod 4y ago
    You might want to research the contacts, support, decisions and occurrences regarding the US administration and ISIS. And that's just regarding an organization you mentioned. We would lose count if we started listing the countries the US willingly destroyed in cold blood.

kevin_thibedeau 4y ago

That doesn't work when you have a belligerent who needs to get itself into conflicts every 15 years to keep its experience levels up and foment conflict abroad in the "off season" to support its MIC.

hanselot 4y ago

wing-_-nuts 4y ago

The continental united states is surrounded by two friendly neighbors that are not a threat to us. We are separated from our nearest peer adversaries by thousands of miles of ocean, and their entire military doctrine revolves around defending themselves from us. We could get by with a tiny fraction of our 700B+ / yr defense budget. One wonders how much better a society we would be if we spent that on things that would actually benefit the average citizen, or did something unthinkable like actually paying down debt.

sharkweek 4y ago
If that happened, we'd invade ourselves to prevent such a country from developing.
ckw 4y ago
throwaway6734 4y ago
So give away the strength of the dollar and the ease of international trade?
- wing-_-nuts 4y ago
  Our military has nothing to do with the strength of the dollar. That is totally reliant on the strength of our economy.
  - orestarod 4y ago
    > Our military has nothing to do with the strength of the dollar. That is totally reliant on the strength of our economy. The strength of the dollar is all about beating whoever disagrees with its role as the oil exchange currency to submission, because that is its current base for its demand. Libya was not invaded because the West suddenly remembered that Kandafi is a dictator. Iraq was not invaded because suddenly WMD were found (did they ever find another tale to cover their reasons?), Syria was not made into anarchy because the West wanted the Syrian people to be free. They all had one common point near the time of invasion. So yes the military does play a big role.
water8 4y ago
ICBMs make this a moot point
- wing-_-nuts 4y ago
  Which is why we would have nukes, a national guard sufficient to defend the homeland, and little else.
throwaway894345 4y ago
> their entire military doctrine revolves around defending themselves from us. I mean, Russia invades and China taunts its neighbors pretty regularly, so clearly their military is focused on more than defense from the US (as if we have any interest in an offensive war against them in the first place). The US military keeps those countries in check, so of course they focus on how they can “defend” against our military. The extent to which Russia and China are scheming against the US military is the extent to which they aren’t invading their neighbors, which is precisely the value the US military provides, and indeed that Russia is invading Ukraine is a failure of the US government to respond firmly to previous invasions (no, not direct military conflict with Russia). The idea that the US or the world can enjoy meaningful peace while withdrawing from the global theater is dangerously naive. There’s no world in which we pull back without oppressive dictatorships rushing to fill the void.
- wing-_-nuts 4y ago
  It's not our 'job' to be the world police. We've been effectively subsidizing social spending in LATAM and europe for decades now. Other countries would simply have to increase their defense spending as necessary to keep themselves safe. I don't think there is any role for the US military beyond defending US soil. I'm tired of propping up our bloated military industrial complex on the premise that we are solely responsible for world peace.
  - Paradigma11 4y ago
    I hope you are prepared for many more russian and/or china backed regimes in africa/se asia. This would put any ressource extraction/trade from these regions in the hands of Putin/Xi. Expect some unforeseen problems at the most unfortunate economic moments.
    - wing-_-nuts 4y ago
      If it doesn't happen to US citizens on US soil, it's not our place to directly intervene with boots on the ground. We can manage international relations with diplomacy and trade.

anthonypasq 4y ago

this is a tad naive to say the least

breakyerself 4y ago

Considering how frequently we put our weapons of war to use ruining the lives of poor people around the world I would say that theory has been disproved. The US is virtually always at war.

throwaway894345 4y ago
What do people think happens if the US withdraws from the global theater and doesn’t maintain its military capabilities? Do we really think that Russia or China would settle for regional skirmishes, and the world would be at peace? The US is very often at war, but there are greater evils than the US bombing ISIS even with the commensurate civilian casualties (hint: few other military powers are so scrupulous about civilian casualties).
- orestarod 4y ago
  You might want to research the contacts, support, decisions and occurrences regarding the US administration and ISIS. And that's just regarding an organization you mentioned. We would lose count if we started listing the countries the US willingly destroyed in cold blood.