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Look, speaking as a trans person, I would love to ignore social issues and focus on economic ones, but I can't exactly do that when there's a growing movement t

Look, speaking as a trans person, I would love to ignore social issues and focus on economic ones, but I can't exactly do that when there's a growing movement to simply have me banned from society, and a smaller but also-growing movement to declare me a pedophile and have me executed. Class solidarity doesn't help me if I'm dead.

zwkrt 4y ago
As a femme gay myself I am feeling the heat, although not as much as my trans compatriots. I think GP is point stands though. The right is being told that a very important thing that they should be worried about is the existence of trans people. Which is ridiculous. But the reason the issue was brought up is because it’s very emotional and very personal and has nothing at all to do with curtailing corporate power.
- banannaise 4y ago
  Yeah. It's really frustrating to deal with. When anti-queer hate becomes a focal issue, many people treat the hate as half the problem and our existence as the other half of the problem. And it thus becomes untenable to simply move on to bigger issues, because the middle ground that this implies is very dangerous to us.
blub 4y ago
It sounds like you live in a dictatorship or theocracy in which case the best approach would be to apply for asylum in the US, Canada, the UK or the EU. If your life is in danger (as it seems it is), it should be reasonably straightforward to be accepted.
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  > It sounds like you live in a dictatorship or theocracy in which case the best approach would be to apply for asylum in the US, Canada, the UK or the EU. They are describing the status quo in the US (and, though not having had the kind of success in actually writing preferences into law yet, the UK.)
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jmyeet 4y ago
I just want to clarify that trans issues are important and we have had some progress here. I don't mean to diminish in any way the very real issues you and other trans people face. This is an example where the aesthetics of the Democrats actually achieves some good. Conservatives are using trans issues to create division for their own benefit. Red states are rushing to pass legislation on trans issues. Take, for example, Utah's ban on trans athletes. This is apparently an issue so important that it demands legislation even though it affects literally one person [1]. You see closet (well not so much anymore) conservatives like Elon Musk tweeting dumb things about the "far left" [2]. When people complain about the "far left" what they really mean is they don't like trans people and they want them to go away. That's it. There is no "far left" in American politics and the fact that so many have bought into the idea there is shows you just how normative and effective right-wing propaganda has been and continues to be. [1]: https://www.npr.org/2022/03/25/1088908741/utah-transgender-athletes-veto-override https://www.npr.org/2022/03/25/1088908741/utah-transgender-a... [2]: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1519735033950470144?s=20&t=ALcPwiUyFBMU-eMWi_tQXw https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1519735033950470144?s=20...
- banannaise 4y ago
  Thank you. I really do wish we could move on and focus on economics and corporatism and the like. It's nice to see people treating this as a coordinated attack rather than an issue with two sides, where me being allowed to exist in society is one of the sides.

zwkrt 4y ago

As a femme gay myself I am feeling the heat, although not as much as my trans compatriots. I think GP is point stands though. The right is being told that a very important thing that they should be worried about is the existence of trans people. Which is ridiculous. But the reason the issue was brought up is because it’s very emotional and very personal and has nothing at all to do with curtailing corporate power.

banannaise 4y ago
Yeah. It's really frustrating to deal with. When anti-queer hate becomes a focal issue, many people treat the hate as half the problem and our existence as the other half of the problem. And it thus becomes untenable to simply move on to bigger issues, because the middle ground that this implies is very dangerous to us.

blub 4y ago

It sounds like you live in a dictatorship or theocracy in which case the best approach would be to apply for asylum in the US, Canada, the UK or the EU. If your life is in danger (as it seems it is), it should be reasonably straightforward to be accepted.

dragonwriter 4y ago
> It sounds like you live in a dictatorship or theocracy in which case the best approach would be to apply for asylum in the US, Canada, the UK or the EU. They are describing the status quo in the US (and, though not having had the kind of success in actually writing preferences into law yet, the UK.)
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jmyeet 4y ago

I just want to clarify that trans issues are important and we have had some progress here. I don't mean to diminish in any way the very real issues you and other trans people face. This is an example where the aesthetics of the Democrats actually achieves some good. Conservatives are using trans issues to create division for their own benefit. Red states are rushing to pass legislation on trans issues. Take, for example, Utah's ban on trans athletes. This is apparently an issue so important that it demands legislation even though it affects literally one person [1]. You see closet (well not so much anymore) conservatives like Elon Musk tweeting dumb things about the "far left" [2]. When people complain about the "far left" what they really mean is they don't like trans people and they want them to go away. That's it. There is no "far left" in American politics and the fact that so many have bought into the idea there is shows you just how normative and effective right-wing propaganda has been and continues to be. [1]: https://www.npr.org/2022/03/25/1088908741/utah-transgender-athletes-veto-override https://www.npr.org/2022/03/25/1088908741/utah-transgender-a... [2]: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1519735033950470144?s=20&t=ALcPwiUyFBMU-eMWi_tQXw https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1519735033950470144?s=20...

banannaise 4y ago
Thank you. I really do wish we could move on and focus on economics and corporatism and the like. It's nice to see people treating this as a coordinated attack rather than an issue with two sides, where me being allowed to exist in society is one of the sides.