I agree with this. After spending 20 years in dev and several of them as a team lead, the vast majority of the project managers I've worked added very little va

I agree with this. After spending 20 years in dev and several of them as a team lead, the vast majority of the project managers I've worked added very little value. Most of my interaction with them fell into three categories: - Asking them for project priorities and waiting while they asked management for the answer. - Giving them project updates and then listening to them repeat those updates verbatim during the next day's meeting with management, that I was also in. - Asking for their opinion on how something should work, just because I didn't want 100% of the blame when management didn't like a decision. And honestly, saying they had no value-add is being generous. The majority of the examples listed above were time sinks. Of course there's the occasional good PM, but they were very rare.