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Stop using Apple's products if their "functionality" or "user hostility" is a problem for you. I used to be a fanboy. But I've moved to a (mostly) FOSS setup n

Stop using Apple's products if their "functionality" or "user hostility" is a problem for you. I used to be a fanboy. But I've moved to a (mostly) FOSS setup now. It's more rough around the edges but if I decide my computer/phone should not do something, then it FUCKING WON'T and I generally have the power to make it so.

lapcat 4y ago
I'm not sure how this comment is useful. Most of us here are fairly technically sophisticated and have chosen our operating systems for our own reasons. There's no perfect OS, each has upsides and downsides. As you admit, yours is "more rough around the edges". It's a matter of personal priorities and preferences. It's frustrating whenever someone points out one problem, and a bunch of responses are "just don't use Apple products". There may be good reasons to stop using Apple products, but no, this Bluetooth issue is not a reason for me. As I'm aware of the issue, I check Bluetooth status after every OS update and re-disable it, problem solved for me. This blog post is just about awareness raising and hopefully pushback to get Apple to change it. I think most people are unaware that OS updates are silently re-enabling Bluetooth. In the grand scheme, it's not the biggest issue in the world, which is precisely why public pushback might get Apple to change it. I would at least like to hear their explanation.
- neilalexander 4y ago
  > I think most people are unaware that OS updates are silently re-enabling Bluetooth. At this point I’d be far more surprised to find more than a small minority of people who care about permanently disabling it, given the number of things Apple use Bluetooth for (i.e. Continuity, Apple Watch, Find My Items, Apple Pencil) on top of the usual uses (like Bluetooth headphones, in-car phone connectivity, portable speakers and so on). I get there can be security motivations for disabling Bluetooth but my feeling is that reactivating automatically is probably a conscious decision motivated by real world usage patterns and/or support cases from less technical users.
  - lapcat 4y ago
    > reactivating automatically is probably a conscious decision Not probably, definitely. Apple said so in the bug report. > motivated by real world usage patterns and/or support cases from less technical users Or motivated by the desire to sell Apple products and services that require Bluetooth? Motivated by the desire to keep pushing people like me until they give up and give in? Anyone less stubborn than me probably would have given up by now and just kept Bluetooth enabled. Clearly, Apple wants you to have Bluetooth on, for whatever reason. Why even have a toggle in Settings if it keeps getting turned back on? The user has to consciously go into Settings and turn off Bluetooth; it may be true as you say that most users don't do that, but for those who do specifically go into Settings and disable Bluetooth, there's no excuse for undoing their preference. Less technical users aren't disabling Bluetooth in the first place. Would you also say the "Try the new Safari" nag is motivated by real world usage patterns and/or support cases from less technical users? https://lapcatsoftware.com/articles/TRYTHENEWSAFARI.html https://lapcatsoftware.com/articles/TRYTHENEWSAFARI.html
chesc 4y ago
I actually did just that. Although I have never really had much luck getting bluetooth to work

lapcat 4y ago

I'm not sure how this comment is useful. Most of us here are fairly technically sophisticated and have chosen our operating systems for our own reasons. There's no perfect OS, each has upsides and downsides. As you admit, yours is "more rough around the edges". It's a matter of personal priorities and preferences. It's frustrating whenever someone points out one problem, and a bunch of responses are "just don't use Apple products". There may be good reasons to stop using Apple products, but no, this Bluetooth issue is not a reason for me. As I'm aware of the issue, I check Bluetooth status after every OS update and re-disable it, problem solved for me. This blog post is just about awareness raising and hopefully pushback to get Apple to change it. I think most people are unaware that OS updates are silently re-enabling Bluetooth. In the grand scheme, it's not the biggest issue in the world, which is precisely why public pushback might get Apple to change it. I would at least like to hear their explanation.

neilalexander 4y ago
> I think most people are unaware that OS updates are silently re-enabling Bluetooth. At this point I’d be far more surprised to find more than a small minority of people who care about permanently disabling it, given the number of things Apple use Bluetooth for (i.e. Continuity, Apple Watch, Find My Items, Apple Pencil) on top of the usual uses (like Bluetooth headphones, in-car phone connectivity, portable speakers and so on). I get there can be security motivations for disabling Bluetooth but my feeling is that reactivating automatically is probably a conscious decision motivated by real world usage patterns and/or support cases from less technical users.
- lapcat 4y ago
  > reactivating automatically is probably a conscious decision Not probably, definitely. Apple said so in the bug report. > motivated by real world usage patterns and/or support cases from less technical users Or motivated by the desire to sell Apple products and services that require Bluetooth? Motivated by the desire to keep pushing people like me until they give up and give in? Anyone less stubborn than me probably would have given up by now and just kept Bluetooth enabled. Clearly, Apple wants you to have Bluetooth on, for whatever reason. Why even have a toggle in Settings if it keeps getting turned back on? The user has to consciously go into Settings and turn off Bluetooth; it may be true as you say that most users don't do that, but for those who do specifically go into Settings and disable Bluetooth, there's no excuse for undoing their preference. Less technical users aren't disabling Bluetooth in the first place. Would you also say the "Try the new Safari" nag is motivated by real world usage patterns and/or support cases from less technical users? https://lapcatsoftware.com/articles/TRYTHENEWSAFARI.html https://lapcatsoftware.com/articles/TRYTHENEWSAFARI.html

chesc 4y ago

I actually did just that. Although I have never really had much luck getting bluetooth to work