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You say that as though no one outside of a market economy every burned coal or clear cut a forrest.
by ch4s3 4y ago
You say that as though no one outside of a market economy every burned coal or clear cut a forrest.
- frobishercresc 4y agoTechnocratic neoliberal consumer capitalism isn't the only form of market economy, it's just the form that uses up the most land without regard to social and environmental impact because it is inherently focused on capital gains.
- ch4s3 4y ago> uses up the most land How are you quantifying that?
- frobishercresc 4y agoIt's self evident, endless and unchecked profit motives (neoliberalism) are divorced from considerations of resource sustainability or genuine social need, it will always use up more land than market economies with a more social minded approach. If that isn't enough, loss of tree cover since 2001: Neoliberal capitalist USA: 16% [1] [1] https://www.globalforestwatch.org/dashboards/country/BRA https://www.globalforestwatch.org/dashboards/country/BRA Socialism with Chinese Characteristics China: 6.7% [2] [2] https://www.globalforestwatch.org/dashboards/country/CHN/ https://www.globalforestwatch.org/dashboards/country/CHN/
- GavinMcG 4y agoThat’s a non sequitur. So what if bad things have happened outside of a market? The question is whether a solution can be found outside one.
- ch4s3 4y agoIt's not a non sequitur at all. The original claim was that contemporary market economies caused the problem so markets can't be part of the solution. I think this is first and foremost a logical fallacy. I'm also pointing out that the need for energy and resources created the problem, which is orthogonal to markets. Markets are great for optimizing things that can be priced. Pricing carbon, and wild spaces can be really powerful levers for fixing some of these problems.
- GavinMcG 4y agoIt didn’t say it was caused by. It said it couldn’t be solved within.