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I don’t see how your 3rd point tracks; it doesn’t work for why the pizza is late. Why would the pizza being late be caused by the pizza being owned by the capit

I don’t see how your 3rd point tracks; it doesn’t work for why the pizza is late. Why would the pizza being late be caused by the pizza being owned by the capital class? What motivation does the capital class have in my pizza being late? You are trying to gish gallop the argument with a completely unfounded quip about “magic”.

vorpalhex 4y ago
That's not a gish gallop, I only made one argument. A gish gallop is when you throw out a bunch of arguments at once, hope your opponent misses one in their reply and then call out their failure to respond. If you're going to call a fallacy, please do so correctly. It makes exactly as much sense for all three cases. "Capital Owners" have no desire for price transparency (2019), Covid stimulus (2020) or most other things congress does. Certainly not supporting sanctions that torch the oil and fuel needing industries in Europe. If being beholden to the capital owners can be used as an excuse for anything congress does that you don't like, I can also use it as an excuse for my pizza being late.
- nemothekid 4y ago
  >It makes exactly as much sense for all three cases. "Capital Owners" have no desire for price transparency (2019), Covid stimulus (2020) or most other things congress does You are still assigning unfounded assertions to the capital class? The capital class has no desire for COVID stimulus? Why? Did you not see the stock market completely shit itself in September - and every economist saying the only way out was a stimulus? Likewise price transparency? I assume you are talking about healthcare; but corporations also have an interest in reducing healthcare costs as for most of the Forbes 500, health insurance is a massive HR cost. “Price transparency” is the same neoliberal concession for a country who’s working class desperately needs public healthcare. It doesn’t meaningfully change the situation for working class individuals What you are doing is treating the capital class like some evil boogeyman instead of a motivated class of individuals looking to protect their wealth from institutional redistribution. I’m talking about corporate regulation, protections for unions, and most well funded social programs. Reducing a well researched phenomenon to “blaming capital owners that my pizza is late” is profoundly myopic
  - mindslight 4y ago
    > a motivated class of individuals looking to protect their wealth from institutional redistribution You are giving way too much credit. They're not on the defensive of protecting their wealth from "redistribution", but rather on the offensive of extracting ever more wealth away from those in the productive economy. Economically, this is done via printing new money and financializing the lives of the plebs. "A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury." This quote is usually levied at voters personally, as a condemnation of social programs - the same induced "culture war" to distract from the grownups' looting. The quote is actually much more applicable to politicians (of both costumes) promoting the policies paid for by big capital, which has consistently succeeded at getting itself ever more corporate welfare - stock market bubble, housing bubble, healthcare trainwreck, defense spending, covid giveaways, etc.
dane-pgp 4y ago
> What motivation does the capital class have in my pizza being late? You're asking what motivation do businesses have for taking your money and not investing enough to provide the service that customers want in return?

vorpalhex 4y ago

That's not a gish gallop, I only made one argument. A gish gallop is when you throw out a bunch of arguments at once, hope your opponent misses one in their reply and then call out their failure to respond. If you're going to call a fallacy, please do so correctly. It makes exactly as much sense for all three cases. "Capital Owners" have no desire for price transparency (2019), Covid stimulus (2020) or most other things congress does. Certainly not supporting sanctions that torch the oil and fuel needing industries in Europe. If being beholden to the capital owners can be used as an excuse for anything congress does that you don't like, I can also use it as an excuse for my pizza being late.

nemothekid 4y ago
>It makes exactly as much sense for all three cases. "Capital Owners" have no desire for price transparency (2019), Covid stimulus (2020) or most other things congress does You are still assigning unfounded assertions to the capital class? The capital class has no desire for COVID stimulus? Why? Did you not see the stock market completely shit itself in September - and every economist saying the only way out was a stimulus? Likewise price transparency? I assume you are talking about healthcare; but corporations also have an interest in reducing healthcare costs as for most of the Forbes 500, health insurance is a massive HR cost. “Price transparency” is the same neoliberal concession for a country who’s working class desperately needs public healthcare. It doesn’t meaningfully change the situation for working class individuals What you are doing is treating the capital class like some evil boogeyman instead of a motivated class of individuals looking to protect their wealth from institutional redistribution. I’m talking about corporate regulation, protections for unions, and most well funded social programs. Reducing a well researched phenomenon to “blaming capital owners that my pizza is late” is profoundly myopic
- mindslight 4y ago
  > a motivated class of individuals looking to protect their wealth from institutional redistribution You are giving way too much credit. They're not on the defensive of protecting their wealth from "redistribution", but rather on the offensive of extracting ever more wealth away from those in the productive economy. Economically, this is done via printing new money and financializing the lives of the plebs. "A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury." This quote is usually levied at voters personally, as a condemnation of social programs - the same induced "culture war" to distract from the grownups' looting. The quote is actually much more applicable to politicians (of both costumes) promoting the policies paid for by big capital, which has consistently succeeded at getting itself ever more corporate welfare - stock market bubble, housing bubble, healthcare trainwreck, defense spending, covid giveaways, etc.

dane-pgp 4y ago

> What motivation does the capital class have in my pizza being late? You're asking what motivation do businesses have for taking your money and not investing enough to provide the service that customers want in return?