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In a perfect world, perhaps, but that's why mechanical chases are engineered in the blueprints. If an HVAC installer comes in after the plumbing or electrician

by tunap 4y ago

In a perfect world, perhaps, but that's why mechanical chases are engineered in the blueprints. If an HVAC installer comes in after the plumbing or electrician & pipes or wires are in the 'no-go' zone, guess who gets to re-do their run(s)? It isn't the metal installer. As a former res sparky, I was often the 1st sub in after the framers finished... often enough, before the framers were finished.

bumby 4y ago
The problem gets worse as buildings get bigger, with more systems. A lot of larger projects use 3D renderings now to limit the number of clashes.
- tunap 4y ago
  IDK, this sounds like a solution looking for a problem. Whether the 3d renderings will become regular tools on-site, or not, IDK, IANAn engineer. However, I have never seen 3d models utilized beyond design, the conference room or as an on-site curiosity... mostly retail big-box & small manu, and the models I have seen are coarse and often omit critical minutiae. Blueprints have been, and should always be, readily available to provide exacting details to the experienced professional(not laymen) before & during the project, already. Lots of new ideas come & go, but the application of standard practices scales up quite well in commercial & industrial applications, more so than res, as coded requirements are scrutinized by more agents and are less likely to be curtailed in the name of ease, cost cutting, aesthetics or any other gains an inexperienced actor may wish for. TLDR: I know 3D Modelling is very useful & meaningful for design & planning. On the site, however, there are already tested tools & standards that scale quite well.
  - bumby 4y ago
    Design blueprints do not have those types of exacting details. They try, but they’re almost always needed to be modified. That’s why, even after the design phase, they’re required to deliver “as-built” blueprints. 3D renderings are definitely becoming more common, but it seems like they’re often used only when in the customer defined SoW. Similar to energy modeling in my experience.

by tunap 4y ago

bumby 4y ago

The problem gets worse as buildings get bigger, with more systems. A lot of larger projects use 3D renderings now to limit the number of clashes.

tunap 4y ago
IDK, this sounds like a solution looking for a problem. Whether the 3d renderings will become regular tools on-site, or not, IDK, IANAn engineer. However, I have never seen 3d models utilized beyond design, the conference room or as an on-site curiosity... mostly retail big-box & small manu, and the models I have seen are coarse and often omit critical minutiae. Blueprints have been, and should always be, readily available to provide exacting details to the experienced professional(not laymen) before & during the project, already. Lots of new ideas come & go, but the application of standard practices scales up quite well in commercial & industrial applications, more so than res, as coded requirements are scrutinized by more agents and are less likely to be curtailed in the name of ease, cost cutting, aesthetics or any other gains an inexperienced actor may wish for. TLDR: I know 3D Modelling is very useful & meaningful for design & planning. On the site, however, there are already tested tools & standards that scale quite well.
- bumby 4y ago
  Design blueprints do not have those types of exacting details. They try, but they’re almost always needed to be modified. That’s why, even after the design phase, they’re required to deliver “as-built” blueprints. 3D renderings are definitely becoming more common, but it seems like they’re often used only when in the customer defined SoW. Similar to energy modeling in my experience.