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I think one reason to make this feature public is to get more people to use it, and therefore dilute Lockdown Mode as a signal. As you say, it’s pretty easy for

I think one reason to make this feature public is to get more people to use it, and therefore dilute Lockdown Mode as a signal. As you say, it’s pretty easy for an attacker to detect this mode: with a browser, just check that the Safari version is high enough but that certain features are not available. If even 1% of iPhone users are using Lockdown mode, it’ll far exceed the number of people who really need the feature to stay ahead of nation-state targeting.

Syonyk 4y ago
This would be another good reason for "lots of random people to use it," certainly - same as Tor.
- O__________O 4y ago
  Using Tor is legal justification for a warrant to remotely hack systems using it: https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/what-does-rule-41-say-about-government-hacking.html https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/what-does-rule-41-sa... As such, highly likely most systems running Tor nodes have been hacked and that Tor is not secure. Very possible lockdown mode might be as well a legal justification for a warrant, given it “conceals” systems.
O__________O 4y ago
Issues is automatically targeting users would be easy. If Apple tracks users that have both lockdown mode and iCloud on, all a nation state with jurisdiction has to do is request list of users with both on; having lockdown mode on might even qualify as justification for a search warrant and legally hack anyone using it, which is already the case for Tor: https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/what-does-rule-41-say-about-government-hacking.html https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/what-does-rule-41-sa... Find it horrifying that Apple has this feature, but makes no effort to inform users about the risks of iCloud; in my opinion, if you have lockdown mode on, iCloud should not be option, should trigger an off boarding from iCloud and wiping of any data on iCloud; also pointed this out in comments here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32006436 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32006436 To me, as is, lockdown mode sounds like a honeypot: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeypot_(computing) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeypot_(computing)
AndrewUnmuted 4y ago
- threeseed 4y ago
  I think you should spend less time on conspiracy sites. The world including Apple's product map doesn't revolve around Hunter Biden.
  - AndrewUnmuted 4y ago
- O__________O 4y ago
  If that was the case, Apple would have just offered end-to-end-encryption for iCloud, which they did not; turning off iCloud is also not a default configuration of the new lockdown mode, which it should be.
- Sporktacular 4y ago
  It just makes sense to lock down iMessage, for example, as a vector. They're doing this for credibility? Yeah, in part, that's how companies work. But if it produces an improvement then what's the problem? Capitalism? Also, what's with the aggression? Tone it down.

Syonyk 4y ago

This would be another good reason for "lots of random people to use it," certainly - same as Tor.

O__________O 4y ago
Using Tor is legal justification for a warrant to remotely hack systems using it: https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/what-does-rule-41-say-about-government-hacking.html https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/what-does-rule-41-sa... As such, highly likely most systems running Tor nodes have been hacked and that Tor is not secure. Very possible lockdown mode might be as well a legal justification for a warrant, given it “conceals” systems.

O__________O 4y ago

Issues is automatically targeting users would be easy. If Apple tracks users that have both lockdown mode and iCloud on, all a nation state with jurisdiction has to do is request list of users with both on; having lockdown mode on might even qualify as justification for a search warrant and legally hack anyone using it, which is already the case for Tor: https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/what-does-rule-41-say-about-government-hacking.html https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/what-does-rule-41-sa... Find it horrifying that Apple has this feature, but makes no effort to inform users about the risks of iCloud; in my opinion, if you have lockdown mode on, iCloud should not be option, should trigger an off boarding from iCloud and wiping of any data on iCloud; also pointed this out in comments here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32006436 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32006436 To me, as is, lockdown mode sounds like a honeypot: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeypot_(computing) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeypot_(computing)

AndrewUnmuted 4y ago

threeseed 4y ago
I think you should spend less time on conspiracy sites. The world including Apple's product map doesn't revolve around Hunter Biden.
- AndrewUnmuted 4y ago
O__________O 4y ago
If that was the case, Apple would have just offered end-to-end-encryption for iCloud, which they did not; turning off iCloud is also not a default configuration of the new lockdown mode, which it should be.
Sporktacular 4y ago
It just makes sense to lock down iMessage, for example, as a vector. They're doing this for credibility? Yeah, in part, that's how companies work. But if it produces an improvement then what's the problem? Capitalism? Also, what's with the aggression? Tone it down.