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Generally because the EU Parliament is far less corrupt than the US Congress. The US is more of a "corporatocracy" than a real democracy these days. Congress

Generally because the EU Parliament is far less corrupt than the US Congress. The US is more of a "corporatocracy" than a real democracy these days. Congress is even incapable of impeaching a president that tried to overturn an election by force. That's a pretty embarassing state of affairs for American democracy.

satyrnein 4y ago
What's the corporate interest in impeaching Trump or not? I think that has less to do with corporations and more to do with Republican politicians (correctly) concluding that their Republican voters don't want Trump impeached.
- mtlmtlmtlmtl 4y ago
  That is also a form of corruption though. Voter sentiment shouldn't be prioritised over protecting democracy and the constitution.
  - mythrwy 4y ago
    I'm always confused when I see people say (to paraphrase) "We need to protect democracy so the hell with what the voters think!". How exactly does that logic work?
    - cnelsenmilt 4y ago
      In the same way when you sit down to play a boardgame with someone and they draw extra cards, fudge die rolls, and flip over the table when a turn goes against them: they're no longer playing the agreed-on game at that point, and you and the other players don't have to accept their behavior as part of the play. There is a baseline set of rules (in the USA we have the Constitution) for how the game works. Like a person's freedom to swing their arm, a voter's freedom on what to vote for must stop at the limit of the other voters' rights. The "Tyranny of the Majority" is a related concept as well.
      - mythrwy 4y ago
        Well, yes that is why the US is a constitutional republic. It's just that phrasing seems hilariously and ironically out of wack. It's as if some people think they know better then unwashed masses so they should be in charge regardless of sentiment. Ok, fine, maybe they do, but that isn't called "democracy".
    - mtlmtlmtlmtl 4y ago
      It's called representative democracy. The job of representatives is to know what they're doing on the behalf of voters, not to cater to their every whim.
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onepointsixC 4y ago
The EU is more corrupt. All China needed to stop EU statements on Human rights was some investments into Greece and making a few calls[1]. [1]: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-un-rights/greece-blocks-eu-statement-on-china-human-rights-at-u-n-idUSKBN1990FP https://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-un-rights/greece-block...
- closewith 4y ago
  The EU is not a monolith. Its constituent countries are both more and less corrupt than the US, but the EU requires unanimity for foreign policy decisions, unlike the US enchi isn't beholden to reach State. https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2021 https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2021

satyrnein 4y ago

What's the corporate interest in impeaching Trump or not? I think that has less to do with corporations and more to do with Republican politicians (correctly) concluding that their Republican voters don't want Trump impeached.

mtlmtlmtlmtl 4y ago
That is also a form of corruption though. Voter sentiment shouldn't be prioritised over protecting democracy and the constitution.
- mythrwy 4y ago
  I'm always confused when I see people say (to paraphrase) "We need to protect democracy so the hell with what the voters think!". How exactly does that logic work?
  - cnelsenmilt 4y ago
    In the same way when you sit down to play a boardgame with someone and they draw extra cards, fudge die rolls, and flip over the table when a turn goes against them: they're no longer playing the agreed-on game at that point, and you and the other players don't have to accept their behavior as part of the play. There is a baseline set of rules (in the USA we have the Constitution) for how the game works. Like a person's freedom to swing their arm, a voter's freedom on what to vote for must stop at the limit of the other voters' rights. The "Tyranny of the Majority" is a related concept as well.
    - mythrwy 4y ago
      Well, yes that is why the US is a constitutional republic. It's just that phrasing seems hilariously and ironically out of wack. It's as if some people think they know better then unwashed masses so they should be in charge regardless of sentiment. Ok, fine, maybe they do, but that isn't called "democracy".
  - mtlmtlmtlmtl 4y ago
    It's called representative democracy. The job of representatives is to know what they're doing on the behalf of voters, not to cater to their every whim.
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onepointsixC 4y ago

The EU is more corrupt. All China needed to stop EU statements on Human rights was some investments into Greece and making a few calls[1]. [1]: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-un-rights/greece-blocks-eu-statement-on-china-human-rights-at-u-n-idUSKBN1990FP https://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-un-rights/greece-block...

closewith 4y ago
The EU is not a monolith. Its constituent countries are both more and less corrupt than the US, but the EU requires unanimity for foreign policy decisions, unlike the US enchi isn't beholden to reach State. https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2021 https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2021