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What's the difference between "enforcing citizens rights" and "ensuring that the private org understands that the government of the people is in charge" Do you

What's the difference between "enforcing citizens rights" and "ensuring that the private org understands that the government of the people is in charge" Do you believe a private business will respect citizens if it does not respect their government? Perhaps the American system of letting corporations run totally wild while neutering all regulation and legislation isn't the best way to protect citizen rights or create company's that respect citizens by default. But hey the dividends are great

hoseja 4y ago
The difference is one of those governments is actively running concentration camps.
- kingkawn 4y ago
  I agree, American prisons are abhorrent slow-motion holocausts
  - trasz 4y ago
    Prisons are a different thing altogether; the "concentration camps" he's talking about look more like youth detention centers in some of Eastern Europe.
    - atlasunshrugged 4y ago
      I've never heard of youth detention centers in Eastern Europe. What is that? Any links?
      - trasz 4y ago
        Pretty much exactly as you'd imagine it: a shithole institution at some shithole place, massively underfunded for the past couple of decades, thus providing... rather low standards for anything.
    - kingkawn 4y ago
      It sounds a whole lot like you’ve never been inside a US prison.
spywaregorilla 4y ago
I believe private business won't weld me into my own home Viewing this in isolation isn't particularly helpful. I support regulation on big tech. I think the digital markets act is great. I certainly wouldn't trade that for CCP authoritarianism.
- atrus 4y ago
  - Dracophoenix 4y ago
    Governments are capable of poisoning their own citizens and have done so in the past. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/06/30/fact-check-u-s-government-poisoned-some-alcohol-during-prohibition/3283701001/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/06/30/fac...
  - spywaregorilla 4y ago
    Maybe. But they tend to make more money by not making a direct enemy of their customers though. Authoritarian governments have no accountability to anyone.
- criley2 4y ago
  >I believe private business won't weld me into my own home Lol, you should look up mining towns and how corporations treated their miners in the 1800s. A corporation without a government to beat it into submission will treat you as a machine, to be used up and discarded and replaced. Come on! We've seen the bad side of unregulated business here in America, and it was extremely dark.
  - spywaregorilla 4y ago
    Well.. then its a good thing I said I support regulation on big tech. Living in a corporate mining town is basically just an authoritarian government on its own with extra steps imo.
xamolxix 4y ago
> What's the difference between "enforcing citizens rights" and "ensuring that the private org understands that the government of the people is in charge" The difference is that you can use "ensuring that the private org understands that the government of the people is in charge" for anything including abusing citizens rights
- trasz 4y ago
  - freedomben 4y ago
    The USA has a major problem with prisons, no doubt. USA over prosecutes, criminalizes things that shouldn't be criminalized (eating plants that grow naturally, consensual adult sex work, and many other things), has sentencing and treatment inconsistencies and inequities that are wrong, but do you really think US is worse/less ethical than Chinese prisons, labor camps, and general disappearance of persons? (I'm genuinely asking, not trying to make a rhetorical point through questioning. If that's what you really think, I'd like to understand your perspective)
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    - trasz 4y ago
      I'd like to believe US is better, but I honestly don't see the evidence that would support this. The vast majority of people simply use completely different criteria for stuff that happens in China.

hoseja 4y ago

The difference is one of those governments is actively running concentration camps.

kingkawn 4y ago
I agree, American prisons are abhorrent slow-motion holocausts
- trasz 4y ago
  Prisons are a different thing altogether; the "concentration camps" he's talking about look more like youth detention centers in some of Eastern Europe.
  - atlasunshrugged 4y ago
    I've never heard of youth detention centers in Eastern Europe. What is that? Any links?
    - trasz 4y ago
      Pretty much exactly as you'd imagine it: a shithole institution at some shithole place, massively underfunded for the past couple of decades, thus providing... rather low standards for anything.
  - kingkawn 4y ago
    It sounds a whole lot like you’ve never been inside a US prison.

spywaregorilla 4y ago

I believe private business won't weld me into my own home Viewing this in isolation isn't particularly helpful. I support regulation on big tech. I think the digital markets act is great. I certainly wouldn't trade that for CCP authoritarianism.

atrus 4y ago
- Dracophoenix 4y ago
  Governments are capable of poisoning their own citizens and have done so in the past. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/06/30/fact-check-u-s-government-poisoned-some-alcohol-during-prohibition/3283701001/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/06/30/fac...
- spywaregorilla 4y ago
  Maybe. But they tend to make more money by not making a direct enemy of their customers though. Authoritarian governments have no accountability to anyone.
criley2 4y ago
>I believe private business won't weld me into my own home Lol, you should look up mining towns and how corporations treated their miners in the 1800s. A corporation without a government to beat it into submission will treat you as a machine, to be used up and discarded and replaced. Come on! We've seen the bad side of unregulated business here in America, and it was extremely dark.
- spywaregorilla 4y ago
  Well.. then its a good thing I said I support regulation on big tech. Living in a corporate mining town is basically just an authoritarian government on its own with extra steps imo.

xamolxix 4y ago

> What's the difference between "enforcing citizens rights" and "ensuring that the private org understands that the government of the people is in charge" The difference is that you can use "ensuring that the private org understands that the government of the people is in charge" for anything including abusing citizens rights

trasz 4y ago
- freedomben 4y ago
  The USA has a major problem with prisons, no doubt. USA over prosecutes, criminalizes things that shouldn't be criminalized (eating plants that grow naturally, consensual adult sex work, and many other things), has sentencing and treatment inconsistencies and inequities that are wrong, but do you really think US is worse/less ethical than Chinese prisons, labor camps, and general disappearance of persons? (I'm genuinely asking, not trying to make a rhetorical point through questioning. If that's what you really think, I'd like to understand your perspective)
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  - trasz 4y ago
    I'd like to believe US is better, but I honestly don't see the evidence that would support this. The vast majority of people simply use completely different criteria for stuff that happens in China.