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I think they're referring to the move to repeal human rights laws in the UK

by secretsatan 4y ago

gadders 4y ago
There is no move to do that. They are moving to make the UK Parliament sovereign.
- closewith 4y ago
  The Parliament of the UK has an appalling record on human rights in Northern Ireland, where the ECHR has long been the authority to which cases are appealed. Withdrawing from the ECHR both de facto and de jure weakens the human rights protections for residents of Northern Ireland. Perfidious Albion cannot be trusted when it comes to Northern Ireland, at least.
- tobessebot 4y ago
  The UK Parliament ratified the Treaty? How is its sovereignty violated by something it itself agreed to?
  - MattPalmer1086 4y ago
    It isn't, of course. It's just an article of faith now that anything Europe must be replaced. Anything that particularly gives something to do with Europe power is a threat to them. During the referendum, it was a different story. Just the EU that was the problem. Nobody is talking about leaving the single market, no sirree!
  - gadders 4y ago
    They gave away powers, now they are taking them back.
    - tobessebot 4y ago
      This is a point you can make, but it's distinct from sovereignty being infringed. If Parliament is sovereign, it can decide to give away powers, no?
- jlokier 4y ago
  There is literally a move to do that. They are openly campaigning to repeal the Human Right Act and replace it with something that strips away most protections that are currently available to people whose human rights are violated by government. The main changes being proposed are to give the government of the day more power and less judicial oversight, not parliament. Most changes are about removing people's ability to take the government to court. So it is the government of the day that becomes more sovereign, not parliament. The changes don't affect parliament at all. UK parliament is and always was ultimately sovereign on these issues. That was already true, with or without the Human Rights Act, and even when the UK was in the EU. (Otherwise there would have been no need for the UK to create its own Human Rights Act.) In fact it was the UK parliament that put this judicial oversight of government in place in the first place by passing the Human Rights Act. Fashions change, and the current lot in power want to take the oversight away again.
  - gadders 4y ago
    >> There is literally a move to do that. They are openly campaigning to repeal the Human Right Act and replace it with something that strips away most protections that are currently available to people whose human rights are violated by government. I don't recognise your characterisation, but that would be the ideal. That is not what is currently in process though. >> The main changes being proposed are to give the government of the day more power and less judicial oversight, Well, it gives the UK people more power. The elected government is a proxy for that. >> UK parliament is and always was ultimately sovereign on these issues. That was already true, with or without the Human Rights Act, and even when the UK was in the EU. (Otherwise there would have been no need for the UK to create its own Human Rights Act.) Yes, in as much as they decided, as sovereign, to give powers away. They are now as you say taking those powers back.
secretsatan 4y ago
> There is no move to do that. They are moving to make the UK Parliament sovereign. Oh I'm sorry, they're just replacing them with ones that can be enforced or ignored at will

I think they're referring to the move to repeal human rights laws in the UK

gadders 4y ago

There is no move to do that. They are moving to make the UK Parliament sovereign.

closewith 4y ago
The Parliament of the UK has an appalling record on human rights in Northern Ireland, where the ECHR has long been the authority to which cases are appealed. Withdrawing from the ECHR both de facto and de jure weakens the human rights protections for residents of Northern Ireland. Perfidious Albion cannot be trusted when it comes to Northern Ireland, at least.
tobessebot 4y ago
The UK Parliament ratified the Treaty? How is its sovereignty violated by something it itself agreed to?
- MattPalmer1086 4y ago
  It isn't, of course. It's just an article of faith now that anything Europe must be replaced. Anything that particularly gives something to do with Europe power is a threat to them. During the referendum, it was a different story. Just the EU that was the problem. Nobody is talking about leaving the single market, no sirree!
- gadders 4y ago
  They gave away powers, now they are taking them back.
  - tobessebot 4y ago
    This is a point you can make, but it's distinct from sovereignty being infringed. If Parliament is sovereign, it can decide to give away powers, no?
jlokier 4y ago
There is literally a move to do that. They are openly campaigning to repeal the Human Right Act and replace it with something that strips away most protections that are currently available to people whose human rights are violated by government. The main changes being proposed are to give the government of the day more power and less judicial oversight, not parliament. Most changes are about removing people's ability to take the government to court. So it is the government of the day that becomes more sovereign, not parliament. The changes don't affect parliament at all. UK parliament is and always was ultimately sovereign on these issues. That was already true, with or without the Human Rights Act, and even when the UK was in the EU. (Otherwise there would have been no need for the UK to create its own Human Rights Act.) In fact it was the UK parliament that put this judicial oversight of government in place in the first place by passing the Human Rights Act. Fashions change, and the current lot in power want to take the oversight away again.
- gadders 4y ago
  >> There is literally a move to do that. They are openly campaigning to repeal the Human Right Act and replace it with something that strips away most protections that are currently available to people whose human rights are violated by government. I don't recognise your characterisation, but that would be the ideal. That is not what is currently in process though. >> The main changes being proposed are to give the government of the day more power and less judicial oversight, Well, it gives the UK people more power. The elected government is a proxy for that. >> UK parliament is and always was ultimately sovereign on these issues. That was already true, with or without the Human Rights Act, and even when the UK was in the EU. (Otherwise there would have been no need for the UK to create its own Human Rights Act.) Yes, in as much as they decided, as sovereign, to give powers away. They are now as you say taking those powers back.

secretsatan 4y ago

> There is no move to do that. They are moving to make the UK Parliament sovereign. Oh I'm sorry, they're just replacing them with ones that can be enforced or ignored at will