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Great, another country with different set of rules that developers need to think about instead of focusing on doing actual work. Bring in more countries with d

Great, another country with different set of rules that developers need to think about instead of focusing on doing actual work. Bring in more countries with different set of rules, and lots of technological development will be blocked because of trying to deal with different laws instead of the creative freedom and time to do actual work in good ol' free web.

peoplefromibiza 4y ago
> the creative freedom and time to do actual work in good ol' free web. Ironically the good old web would work flawlessly If you simply send documents and do not retain users data and do not track them, you'll be fine everywhere
- worldofmatthew 4y ago
  Not by default as web-servers generate logs.
  - peoplefromibiza 4y ago
    not a big deal. If I remember correctly by default Apache kept a single log file and didn't log individual virtual hosts the default log format doesn't save the host being called and the ip address is the one received by the socket, so it might be the ip address of a proxy server hardly tracking stuff,but can be easily turned off
  - deleted 4y ago
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antihero 4y ago
toto444 4y ago
It's a strange thing to complain that countries have laws. HR has to deal with different local legislations, finance has to do it as well, why wouldn't dev have to do it ? Because it does not scale ?
- can16358p 4y ago
  Same should apply to any online service, including HN and financial services. It's against freedom.
mrtksn 4y ago
Yep, fragmentation is horrible. Usually the Brussels Effect takes care of fragmentation issues but on the case of UK, there's this drive of making thinks differently for the sake of making things differently(it's a political chip for those who cater to the Brexit supporters). It would be OK if UK became more like the US but UK is not USA, in USA people don't usually get knocked on their doors by the police for their tweets. UK politicians have this desire to control the speech on the Internet, they work on stuff like identity verification when visiting porn sites. People can be for or against Brexit in the context of government size and reach discussions however I don't see UK as getting more "free-markety" like US but more like Northern Europe style control with extra distance between the state and the people. It kind of feels like a combination of worst from the both.
- peoplefromibiza 4y ago
  > in USA people don't usually get knocked on their doors by the police for their tweets when did this happen in UK? Do you mean people broke the law with their tweets (which is like robbing a bank and showing your id to everyone there) and had to face the consequences of their actions?
  - gadders 4y ago
    It does happen. Especially if you express gender-critical views. The police (after pressure from, er, pressure groups) are being used to enforce cancel culture.
  - mrtksn 4y ago
    It happens all the time[0], for example people get arrested over offensive or racist tweets[0]. [0] https://www.theverge.com/2022/2/7/22912054/uk-grossly-offensive-tweet-prosecution-section-127-2003-communications-act https://www.theverge.com/2022/2/7/22912054/uk-grossly-offens... [1] https://english.alaraby.co.uk/news/uk-police-arrest-11-racist-tweets-england-footballers-0 https://english.alaraby.co.uk/news/uk-police-arrest-11-racis...
    - peoplefromibiza 4y ago
tchalla 4y ago
The solution of course is to have one country - the US - making and decdiding the rules easy-peasy. Sorry for the snark but thinking about different aspects in the world is “actual work”. You don’t find it interesting and creative - fine. But don’t take the moral high horse that your work is more creative than the ones which require thinking about different systems.
- can16358p 4y ago
  I never said US should dictate, their rules suck too IMO. Web should be free, websites/services shouldn't be wasting time trying to comply with various laws but focus their resources on actual creativity and R&D. In layman's terms, in my service's/app's privacy policy I should be able to say "I can do whatever I want with your data and keep it forever. Not OK with that, well don't use my service then." No one's forcing anyone to use anything anyway.
  - tchalla 4y ago
    You can’t say/do anything you want to - that’s how society works. If you don’t like it, you can free to not conduct business. No one is forcing you to offer an service or app. The society is fine in making that trade off.
    - can16358p 4y ago
      Well, I should be able to create something I want, and society is free to use or not use it. That is what freedom is, blocking people from creating stuff is not.
      - tchalla 4y ago
        No, you shouldn’t. The society can create bounds around what you can create. You are free to not like it that’s the freedom you get from the society.
        can16358p 4y ago
closewith 4y ago
If developers and the companies they work for respect the basic human rights of their users, then compliance tends to become a lot easier. Of course, if the business model is to exploit users, then legislation which makes that more difficult seems like an imposition.
traceroute66 4y ago
> Great, another country with different set of rules that developers need to think about instead of focusing on doing actual work. Well, to be fair the EU GDPR rules are easily summarised. They basically say: "Don't be an asshole with someone else's data". Most sane people don't want the sort of filth that data hogging developers and their employers try to insist on imposing on their unwilling victim. Get rid of the trackers, the un-necessary cookies, don't sell your user's data to the highest bidder, don't spam your users, you know the sort of thing .... and you'll be just fine under EU GDPR.

peoplefromibiza 4y ago

> the creative freedom and time to do actual work in good ol' free web. Ironically the good old web would work flawlessly If you simply send documents and do not retain users data and do not track them, you'll be fine everywhere

worldofmatthew 4y ago
Not by default as web-servers generate logs.
- peoplefromibiza 4y ago
  not a big deal. If I remember correctly by default Apache kept a single log file and didn't log individual virtual hosts the default log format doesn't save the host being called and the ip address is the one received by the socket, so it might be the ip address of a proxy server hardly tracking stuff,but can be easily turned off
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]

antihero 4y ago

toto444 4y ago

It's a strange thing to complain that countries have laws. HR has to deal with different local legislations, finance has to do it as well, why wouldn't dev have to do it ? Because it does not scale ?

can16358p 4y ago
Same should apply to any online service, including HN and financial services. It's against freedom.

mrtksn 4y ago

Yep, fragmentation is horrible. Usually the Brussels Effect takes care of fragmentation issues but on the case of UK, there's this drive of making thinks differently for the sake of making things differently(it's a political chip for those who cater to the Brexit supporters). It would be OK if UK became more like the US but UK is not USA, in USA people don't usually get knocked on their doors by the police for their tweets. UK politicians have this desire to control the speech on the Internet, they work on stuff like identity verification when visiting porn sites. People can be for or against Brexit in the context of government size and reach discussions however I don't see UK as getting more "free-markety" like US but more like Northern Europe style control with extra distance between the state and the people. It kind of feels like a combination of worst from the both.

peoplefromibiza 4y ago
> in USA people don't usually get knocked on their doors by the police for their tweets when did this happen in UK? Do you mean people broke the law with their tweets (which is like robbing a bank and showing your id to everyone there) and had to face the consequences of their actions?
- gadders 4y ago
  It does happen. Especially if you express gender-critical views. The police (after pressure from, er, pressure groups) are being used to enforce cancel culture.
- mrtksn 4y ago
  It happens all the time[0], for example people get arrested over offensive or racist tweets[0]. [0] https://www.theverge.com/2022/2/7/22912054/uk-grossly-offensive-tweet-prosecution-section-127-2003-communications-act https://www.theverge.com/2022/2/7/22912054/uk-grossly-offens... [1] https://english.alaraby.co.uk/news/uk-police-arrest-11-racist-tweets-england-footballers-0 https://english.alaraby.co.uk/news/uk-police-arrest-11-racis...
  - peoplefromibiza 4y ago

tchalla 4y ago

The solution of course is to have one country - the US - making and decdiding the rules easy-peasy. Sorry for the snark but thinking about different aspects in the world is “actual work”. You don’t find it interesting and creative - fine. But don’t take the moral high horse that your work is more creative than the ones which require thinking about different systems.

can16358p 4y ago
I never said US should dictate, their rules suck too IMO. Web should be free, websites/services shouldn't be wasting time trying to comply with various laws but focus their resources on actual creativity and R&D. In layman's terms, in my service's/app's privacy policy I should be able to say "I can do whatever I want with your data and keep it forever. Not OK with that, well don't use my service then." No one's forcing anyone to use anything anyway.
- tchalla 4y ago
  You can’t say/do anything you want to - that’s how society works. If you don’t like it, you can free to not conduct business. No one is forcing you to offer an service or app. The society is fine in making that trade off.
  - can16358p 4y ago
    Well, I should be able to create something I want, and society is free to use or not use it. That is what freedom is, blocking people from creating stuff is not.
    - tchalla 4y ago
      No, you shouldn’t. The society can create bounds around what you can create. You are free to not like it that’s the freedom you get from the society.
      - can16358p 4y ago

closewith 4y ago

If developers and the companies they work for respect the basic human rights of their users, then compliance tends to become a lot easier. Of course, if the business model is to exploit users, then legislation which makes that more difficult seems like an imposition.

traceroute66 4y ago

> Great, another country with different set of rules that developers need to think about instead of focusing on doing actual work. Well, to be fair the EU GDPR rules are easily summarised. They basically say: "Don't be an asshole with someone else's data". Most sane people don't want the sort of filth that data hogging developers and their employers try to insist on imposing on their unwilling victim. Get rid of the trackers, the un-necessary cookies, don't sell your user's data to the highest bidder, don't spam your users, you know the sort of thing .... and you'll be just fine under EU GDPR.