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New UK data laws could be incompatible with GDPR in the EU

57 points by nemoniac 4y ago

SilverBirch 4y ago
I think the idea that this matters is pretty fanciful. The unveiling of this bill is actually quite funny - Boris Johnson has announced he's stepping down as PM and there's a leadership election to find his successor going on right now. But the reason he stepped down is that he won a confidence vote amongst his MPs, but then it turned out he knowingly appointed a sex pest as his deputy chief whip - and so everyone who worked for him quit. The reason I'm giving you this detail, is that since he's waiting for his successor to be chosen he still needs people doing all those jobs. So the guy responsible for presenting this bill to parliament has been in place for 2 weeks, because the previous minister quit (hilariously, so many people were quiting the previous minister didn't even write her own resignation letter, she co-signed a letter with 4 other people). The reason all that detail is important is that the new Prime Minister will select an entirely new set of ministers. So basically, someone new will be responsible for coming up with this legislation and getting it through parliament by the 5th of September. But surely we could make a lot of progress on this bill in parliament before September? Well, you would think that's the case, but Parliament goes on their Summer holiday today. Guess when they come back to parliament - that's right! The 5th of September.
- mathieuh 4y ago
  The rabid intensity with which the tories are trying to remove any link to EU makes me nervous the government will push through with this, simply for ideological reasons rather than any link with reality. To be fair, that would apply for lots of things the government has done recently.
  - dcomp 4y ago
    It's quite scary that the House of lords (unelected peers), previously seen as undemocratic may be the only thing stopping the commons from rushing through legislation as they don't have to pander to public option. Which I guess was always their purpose
    - sorokod 4y ago
      Most democracies place buffers between the will of the masses and the levers of power. For very good reasons too. In UK there is the house of lords and the indirect election of the prime minister.
  - 12ian34 4y ago
    There's a good chance that Liz Truss will be our next PM. Which, coupled with the opinion polls on the Conservatives makes me believe that there's a good chance that Labour will win the next election. This I think could lead to a referendum to rejoin the EU, which I think would probably win. This is likely to lead to the UK reforming those EU links.
    - canbus 4y ago
      fingers crossed... hopefully they actually let us back in!
    - richrichardsson 4y ago
      > There's a good chance that Liz Truss will be our next PM Such a horrific plausibility it doesn't bare thinking about, but I suspect the rank and file Conservative members might have a problem putting a brown man in charge, even if the alternative is as incompetent as the incumbent without the "charm". > This I think could lead to a referendum to rejoin the EU Unlikely. > which I think would probably win Even more unlikely. Brexshitters would insist upon some sensible rules, such as 70% (or more) in favour for it to pass. I'd guess a vote today would likely be similarly split as last time, only just slightly in favour to rejoin.
      - 12ian34 4y ago
        > Such a horrific plausibility it doesn't bare thinking about Just wait until she gives Boris the Foreign Secretary job... > Unlikely Agreed - it's all very unlikely but I'm hopeful!
      - gadders 4y ago
        Labour hasn't even ever had a woman leader, whereas the Tories have had two. They are far more diverse than the Labour party.
        matthewmacleod 4y ago
        Of course, back in the real world – "diversity" is not a value which is calculated based on "how many women leaders has the party had". I'm sure you appreciate that to say so would be a silly partisan talking point without any value.
  - MattPalmer1086 4y ago
    Have to demonstrate the benefits of liberating ourselves from the stifling EU rules! Now we can have two different sets of rules to comply with if we do business with the EU. It is entirely ideological.
- rsynnott 4y ago
  I mean, the temptation is to say "this is just posturing by someone who's getting their few weeks as a minister, it'll never come in, no need to worry about it". But it's worth noting that another thing that started off as posturing was Brexit (at the time Cameron promised a vote, a Tory majority would have seemed rather implausible, so really it was just electioneering). The Tories have a track record of accidentally backing themselves into a corner and having to do the silly thing they talked about.
  - bodge5000 4y ago
    Whilst thats true, Brexit was monumentally bigger and had a lot more public support. If there were a GE now and the tories silently dropped this from their manifesto, I doubt many people would notice or care. I've heard a few people saying things like "something should be done", but nobody outside of tech circles (and even many people within it) I've spoken to supports this bill, in fact none of them have even heard of it.
  - blibble 4y ago
    > I mean, the temptation is to say "this is just posturing by someone who's getting their few weeks as a minister, it'll never come in, no need to worry about it" I'd say: if they're saying that they don't understand how the political system in the UK works
  - SilverBirch 4y ago
    Oh I'm quite certain that the new UK data laws are going to be a total shit show and there's absolutely no possibility that they'll be compatible with EU regulations causing a massive spike in red tape. But I'm certain of that because that's the entire direction of the tory party since they expelled everyone to the left of Mussolini in the 2019 election. I'm just saying the details of this particular draft are moot.
- bodge5000 4y ago
  Honestly, you could remove the resignation, the chaos, the summer holidays (over a month off is a bit rich, but thats another matter), all of these details, and I'd still doubt they'd ever happen. Remember when the plan was simply to add ID checks to adult websites, and how 2 years later that still didn't happen? If they couldnt get something that unambitious through, in years that were, relative to now, fairly stable, theres no chance they'd get this monster of a bill through. And thats before you add in all those bonus factors you mentioned. There are some benefits to an incompetent government.
- kergonath 4y ago
  British politics never cease to amaze. That said, isn’t there a significant probability that this gets voted in September anyway with nobody having bothered to read it?
jacooper 4y ago
Honestly if this law ever gets approved, the best way to comply is just to block the UK, its seems to be made to make compliance impossibly expensive if you are not big tech or a UK focused company.
softwareoiu 4y ago
The UK is not in the EU, so why does it matter?
- nixass 4y ago
  And Brexit was specifically about whatever EU does they'll do the opposite, so it's fine. Next is health care, the food safety standards, and the rest.
  - netsharc 4y ago
    As Bruce Sterling wrote in 2016: https://people.well.com/conf/inkwell.vue/topics/487/Bruce-Sterling-Jon-Lebkowsky-Sta-page02.html#post44 https://people.well.com/conf/inkwell.vue/topics/487/Bruce-St... > Great Britain is becoming Little Britain. The UK is like a giant Cayman Islands in 2016. They used to be the wise and perfidious grownups in the geostrategic room, but now it's all about squalid, petty things like Brexit, Scottish secession, anti-immigration; British political extremes are thriving and the middle is dead as mutton. They've lost their soft-power by the bucketful; people who used to beg for their wise counsel now ignore them. What do they want -- to be Airstrip One for any creep with a trailer-truck full of cash? I've never seen them think so small. And a while ago the Tory party's Russian donors problem was in the news, including the son of an ex-KGB Gazprom owner who got a peerage. Whose party in Italy Boris Johnson the then foreign minister went to, alone. God damn, what a corrupt bunch.
    - p1necone 4y ago
      Every day I get more convinced that most contemporary right wing politics is just collective narcissistic personality disorder.
- gambiting 4y ago
  Well, because for a short while, it was assumed that UK would just follow the same rules as EU does, and thefore UK companies could be given an easy pass operating in the EU, or when interacting with EU citizens. For instance there is/was no need to inspect any items coming from UK into the EU, since the general assumption is that the standards are still the same as they were pre-brexit, so they don't need to be treated like coming from a country like China or India. However, this is all changing now. UK is keen to get rid of regulations it inherited from the EU, making it a much less attractive place to do business with, from the EU perspective. We can no longer assume that companies hosting EU citizen's data on UK soil will play nice and follow the same rules - it will be treated with caution initially, and (hopefully) with eventual hostility towards it, as UK seems to be going full on surveilence mode with government and its agencies having access to everything at all times with no warrants needed. So yes, it "doesn't matter" only if UK isn't interested in working with the largest trading block on the planet. If they truly want to go that path, then sure, whatever.
can16358p 4y ago
Great, another country with different set of rules that developers need to think about instead of focusing on doing actual work. Bring in more countries with different set of rules, and lots of technological development will be blocked because of trying to deal with different laws instead of the creative freedom and time to do actual work in good ol' free web.
- peoplefromibiza 4y ago
  > the creative freedom and time to do actual work in good ol' free web. Ironically the good old web would work flawlessly If you simply send documents and do not retain users data and do not track them, you'll be fine everywhere
  - worldofmatthew 4y ago
    Not by default as web-servers generate logs.
    - peoplefromibiza 4y ago
      not a big deal. If I remember correctly by default Apache kept a single log file and didn't log individual virtual hosts the default log format doesn't save the host being called and the ip address is the one received by the socket, so it might be the ip address of a proxy server hardly tracking stuff,but can be easily turned off
    - deleted 4y ago
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- antihero 4y ago
- toto444 4y ago
  It's a strange thing to complain that countries have laws. HR has to deal with different local legislations, finance has to do it as well, why wouldn't dev have to do it ? Because it does not scale ?
jll29 4y ago
As if Brexit wasn't enough damage already; there is always another opportunity for the UK to isolate itself even further if they are keen. Europe - with 300 million people - can set new standards that others have to implement. The UK, or what will be left of it, not so much. But the really disturbing thing about the UK is that there are many people in power to whom human rights are less important than "souvereignty". UK experts have lamented for a long time the backwards looking whining and longing for the UK's past glory (ironically, the same backward orietation is what made Russia go to war - glorifying and trying to restore USSR times).
- ajvs 4y ago
  What human rights are you even implying here? Because this sounds like a wild accusation.
  - chalst 4y ago
    The ultras want to sever the UK's ties to European human-rights institutions, such as the ECHR.
    - dotancohen 4y ago
      But isn't that organization mostly used for political persecution, only under the guise of human rights' interests? Haven't they only gone after politically-unpopular-in-the-west entities, and never after the real egregious human rights violators?
      - izacus 4y ago
        No.
      - colourgarden 4y ago
        You may have a misunderstanding of what the ECHR is. A party can make an application to the ECHR against a member state of the Council of Europe (not the same as the EU) that that member has breached an article of the agreed European Convention on Human Rights. They don't "go after" individuals.
Reason077 4y ago
Yes, ok, we all voted for Brexit largely because of those infuriating cookie popups that EU bureaucrats imposed on us, pointlessly ruining the entire web experience. The constant annoyance of government-imposed cookie pop-ups, click after click, hour upon hour, day after day, must have resulted in millions of aggregate hours of lost productivity across the union. For me, it caused the death of the European dream by a million tiny little cuts. But surely it's possible to get rid of cookie popups without also giving away all of our digital rights?! Is this really the price we have to pay?
- nindalf 4y ago
  That’s a new one. Cookie pop ups caused Brexit, you say? Interesting because the Brexit vote happened in June 2016 and GDPR came into effect two years later in May 2018. But what’s funny is, you’re right in a way. Many of the criticisms of the EU were just elaborate fictions concocted by right wing tabloids. We can add “GDPR caused Brexit” to that pile of falsehoods.
  - madeofpalk 4y ago
    To be fair (not that it's needed), cookie popups were EU law before GDPR
  - xnorswap 4y ago
    Worth noting that the "cookie popup" law was older than GDPR.
  - Reason077 4y ago
    Cookie popups have been around since long before the GDPR. They started with the EU ePrivacy Directive (2002/58/EC) passed in 2002 and amended in 2009. So although people now associate them with the GDPR, cookie popups were already an annoyance for many years before. Unfortunately, the UK seems to be taking advantage of the (rightful) public backlash against cookie popups to also try to revoke many of the good parts of the GDPR.
- e2le 4y ago
  Only consent is needed for cookies that aren't strictly necessary. https://gdpr.eu/cookies/ https://gdpr.eu/cookies/ If a site is asking for consent, they're either idiots who don't understand what the law requires of them or they intend on tracking their users.
rajman187 4y ago
I’m more and more certain than brexit was ultimately a move to ensure the status of London as the world’s money laundering capital “A radical Financial Services bill, drawn up by former chancellor and Tory leadership contender Rishi Sunak, will be published on Wednesday. It will pave the way for ministers to be able to “call in” regulatory decisions made by the BoE that they do not like. “Nadhim Zahawi, who succeeded Sunak as chancellor this month, will endorse Sunak’s plan for a more “growth-focused” approach to City regulation in his Mansion House speech on Tuesday.” [1] [1] https://twitter.com/financialtimes/status/1548773229266931714?s=21&t=T3ur7CFdoCqdIxKrZhMkhA https://twitter.com/financialtimes/status/154877322926693171... [2] https://youtu.be/HDq13Lr2ZWw https://youtu.be/HDq13Lr2ZWw [3] https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-sets-out-plan-to-make-uk-a-global-cryptoasset-technology-hub https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-sets-out-plan-...
- 12ian34 4y ago
  Also see Tortoise's excellent investigative reporting on "Londongrad"[0]: [0]: https://www.tortoisemedia.com/listen/londongrad/ https://www.tortoisemedia.com/listen/londongrad/
thedonkeycometh 4y ago
gadders 4y ago
I think this is just the blatant protectionism that the EU is well known for.
- rsynnott 4y ago
  ... The UK threatening to adopt a variant watered-down GDPR is... EU protectionism? Truly, the powers of these Brussels bureaucrats know no bounds, using EU Mind Control to make Britain self-sabotage.
  - gadders 4y ago
    ...The EU using an update to a rule as a pretext? Yeah, never happened ever.
Havoc 4y ago
Isn’t that the whole point of brexit? Introducing incompatible changes - supposedly beneficial ones Feels like more of the same schroedingers brexit BS - “we want things to change but also stay the same”
billpg 4y ago
Brexity politicians still half-arsing it, I see.
amriksohata 4y ago
The EU cookie legislation is so out of date, made by bureaucrats rather than technocrats. There are so many ways to track users now including html5 canvas thumbprinting, URLs etc.
fmajid 4y ago
Of course they will. That’s why any company with a brain’s been looking to transition to EU data centers, with the UK told not to bother running.

57 points by nemoniac 4y ago

I think the idea that this matters is pretty fanciful. The unveiling of this bill is actually quite funny - Boris Johnson has announced he's stepping down as PM and there's a leadership election to find his successor going on right now. But the reason he stepped down is that he won a confidence vote amongst his MPs, but then it turned out he knowingly appointed a sex pest as his deputy chief whip - and so everyone who worked for him quit. The reason I'm giving you this detail, is that since he's waiting for his successor to be chosen he still needs people doing all those jobs. So the guy responsible for presenting this bill to parliament has been in place for 2 weeks, because the previous minister quit (hilariously, so many people were quiting the previous minister didn't even write her own resignation letter, she co-signed a letter with 4 other people). The reason all that detail is important is that the new Prime Minister will select an entirely new set of ministers. So basically, someone new will be responsible for coming up with this legislation and getting it through parliament by the 5th of September. But surely we could make a lot of progress on this bill in parliament before September? Well, you would think that's the case, but Parliament goes on their Summer holiday today. Guess when they come back to parliament - that's right! The 5th of September.

mathieuh 4y ago
The rabid intensity with which the tories are trying to remove any link to EU makes me nervous the government will push through with this, simply for ideological reasons rather than any link with reality. To be fair, that would apply for lots of things the government has done recently.
- dcomp 4y ago
  It's quite scary that the House of lords (unelected peers), previously seen as undemocratic may be the only thing stopping the commons from rushing through legislation as they don't have to pander to public option. Which I guess was always their purpose
  - sorokod 4y ago
    Most democracies place buffers between the will of the masses and the levers of power. For very good reasons too. In UK there is the house of lords and the indirect election of the prime minister.
- 12ian34 4y ago
  There's a good chance that Liz Truss will be our next PM. Which, coupled with the opinion polls on the Conservatives makes me believe that there's a good chance that Labour will win the next election. This I think could lead to a referendum to rejoin the EU, which I think would probably win. This is likely to lead to the UK reforming those EU links.
  - canbus 4y ago
    fingers crossed... hopefully they actually let us back in!
  - richrichardsson 4y ago
    > There's a good chance that Liz Truss will be our next PM Such a horrific plausibility it doesn't bare thinking about, but I suspect the rank and file Conservative members might have a problem putting a brown man in charge, even if the alternative is as incompetent as the incumbent without the "charm". > This I think could lead to a referendum to rejoin the EU Unlikely. > which I think would probably win Even more unlikely. Brexshitters would insist upon some sensible rules, such as 70% (or more) in favour for it to pass. I'd guess a vote today would likely be similarly split as last time, only just slightly in favour to rejoin.
    - 12ian34 4y ago
      > Such a horrific plausibility it doesn't bare thinking about Just wait until she gives Boris the Foreign Secretary job... > Unlikely Agreed - it's all very unlikely but I'm hopeful!
    - gadders 4y ago
      Labour hasn't even ever had a woman leader, whereas the Tories have had two. They are far more diverse than the Labour party.
      - matthewmacleod 4y ago
        Of course, back in the real world – "diversity" is not a value which is calculated based on "how many women leaders has the party had". I'm sure you appreciate that to say so would be a silly partisan talking point without any value.
- MattPalmer1086 4y ago
  Have to demonstrate the benefits of liberating ourselves from the stifling EU rules! Now we can have two different sets of rules to comply with if we do business with the EU. It is entirely ideological.
rsynnott 4y ago
I mean, the temptation is to say "this is just posturing by someone who's getting their few weeks as a minister, it'll never come in, no need to worry about it". But it's worth noting that another thing that started off as posturing was Brexit (at the time Cameron promised a vote, a Tory majority would have seemed rather implausible, so really it was just electioneering). The Tories have a track record of accidentally backing themselves into a corner and having to do the silly thing they talked about.
- bodge5000 4y ago
  Whilst thats true, Brexit was monumentally bigger and had a lot more public support. If there were a GE now and the tories silently dropped this from their manifesto, I doubt many people would notice or care. I've heard a few people saying things like "something should be done", but nobody outside of tech circles (and even many people within it) I've spoken to supports this bill, in fact none of them have even heard of it.
- blibble 4y ago
  > I mean, the temptation is to say "this is just posturing by someone who's getting their few weeks as a minister, it'll never come in, no need to worry about it" I'd say: if they're saying that they don't understand how the political system in the UK works
- SilverBirch 4y ago
  Oh I'm quite certain that the new UK data laws are going to be a total shit show and there's absolutely no possibility that they'll be compatible with EU regulations causing a massive spike in red tape. But I'm certain of that because that's the entire direction of the tory party since they expelled everyone to the left of Mussolini in the 2019 election. I'm just saying the details of this particular draft are moot.
bodge5000 4y ago
Honestly, you could remove the resignation, the chaos, the summer holidays (over a month off is a bit rich, but thats another matter), all of these details, and I'd still doubt they'd ever happen. Remember when the plan was simply to add ID checks to adult websites, and how 2 years later that still didn't happen? If they couldnt get something that unambitious through, in years that were, relative to now, fairly stable, theres no chance they'd get this monster of a bill through. And thats before you add in all those bonus factors you mentioned. There are some benefits to an incompetent government.
kergonath 4y ago
British politics never cease to amaze. That said, isn’t there a significant probability that this gets voted in September anyway with nobody having bothered to read it?

jacooper 4y ago

Honestly if this law ever gets approved, the best way to comply is just to block the UK, its seems to be made to make compliance impossibly expensive if you are not big tech or a UK focused company.

softwareoiu 4y ago

The UK is not in the EU, so why does it matter?

nixass 4y ago
And Brexit was specifically about whatever EU does they'll do the opposite, so it's fine. Next is health care, the food safety standards, and the rest.
- netsharc 4y ago
  As Bruce Sterling wrote in 2016: https://people.well.com/conf/inkwell.vue/topics/487/Bruce-Sterling-Jon-Lebkowsky-Sta-page02.html#post44 https://people.well.com/conf/inkwell.vue/topics/487/Bruce-St... > Great Britain is becoming Little Britain. The UK is like a giant Cayman Islands in 2016. They used to be the wise and perfidious grownups in the geostrategic room, but now it's all about squalid, petty things like Brexit, Scottish secession, anti-immigration; British political extremes are thriving and the middle is dead as mutton. They've lost their soft-power by the bucketful; people who used to beg for their wise counsel now ignore them. What do they want -- to be Airstrip One for any creep with a trailer-truck full of cash? I've never seen them think so small. And a while ago the Tory party's Russian donors problem was in the news, including the son of an ex-KGB Gazprom owner who got a peerage. Whose party in Italy Boris Johnson the then foreign minister went to, alone. God damn, what a corrupt bunch.
  - p1necone 4y ago
    Every day I get more convinced that most contemporary right wing politics is just collective narcissistic personality disorder.
gambiting 4y ago
Well, because for a short while, it was assumed that UK would just follow the same rules as EU does, and thefore UK companies could be given an easy pass operating in the EU, or when interacting with EU citizens. For instance there is/was no need to inspect any items coming from UK into the EU, since the general assumption is that the standards are still the same as they were pre-brexit, so they don't need to be treated like coming from a country like China or India. However, this is all changing now. UK is keen to get rid of regulations it inherited from the EU, making it a much less attractive place to do business with, from the EU perspective. We can no longer assume that companies hosting EU citizen's data on UK soil will play nice and follow the same rules - it will be treated with caution initially, and (hopefully) with eventual hostility towards it, as UK seems to be going full on surveilence mode with government and its agencies having access to everything at all times with no warrants needed. So yes, it "doesn't matter" only if UK isn't interested in working with the largest trading block on the planet. If they truly want to go that path, then sure, whatever.

can16358p 4y ago

Great, another country with different set of rules that developers need to think about instead of focusing on doing actual work. Bring in more countries with different set of rules, and lots of technological development will be blocked because of trying to deal with different laws instead of the creative freedom and time to do actual work in good ol' free web.

peoplefromibiza 4y ago
> the creative freedom and time to do actual work in good ol' free web. Ironically the good old web would work flawlessly If you simply send documents and do not retain users data and do not track them, you'll be fine everywhere
- worldofmatthew 4y ago
  Not by default as web-servers generate logs.
  - peoplefromibiza 4y ago
    not a big deal. If I remember correctly by default Apache kept a single log file and didn't log individual virtual hosts the default log format doesn't save the host being called and the ip address is the one received by the socket, so it might be the ip address of a proxy server hardly tracking stuff,but can be easily turned off
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
antihero 4y ago
toto444 4y ago
It's a strange thing to complain that countries have laws. HR has to deal with different local legislations, finance has to do it as well, why wouldn't dev have to do it ? Because it does not scale ?

jll29 4y ago

As if Brexit wasn't enough damage already; there is always another opportunity for the UK to isolate itself even further if they are keen. Europe - with 300 million people - can set new standards that others have to implement. The UK, or what will be left of it, not so much. But the really disturbing thing about the UK is that there are many people in power to whom human rights are less important than "souvereignty". UK experts have lamented for a long time the backwards looking whining and longing for the UK's past glory (ironically, the same backward orietation is what made Russia go to war - glorifying and trying to restore USSR times).

ajvs 4y ago
What human rights are you even implying here? Because this sounds like a wild accusation.
- chalst 4y ago
  The ultras want to sever the UK's ties to European human-rights institutions, such as the ECHR.
  - dotancohen 4y ago
    But isn't that organization mostly used for political persecution, only under the guise of human rights' interests? Haven't they only gone after politically-unpopular-in-the-west entities, and never after the real egregious human rights violators?
    - izacus 4y ago
      No.
    - colourgarden 4y ago
      You may have a misunderstanding of what the ECHR is. A party can make an application to the ECHR against a member state of the Council of Europe (not the same as the EU) that that member has breached an article of the agreed European Convention on Human Rights. They don't "go after" individuals.

Reason077 4y ago

Yes, ok, we all voted for Brexit largely because of those infuriating cookie popups that EU bureaucrats imposed on us, pointlessly ruining the entire web experience. The constant annoyance of government-imposed cookie pop-ups, click after click, hour upon hour, day after day, must have resulted in millions of aggregate hours of lost productivity across the union. For me, it caused the death of the European dream by a million tiny little cuts. But surely it's possible to get rid of cookie popups without also giving away all of our digital rights?! Is this really the price we have to pay?

nindalf 4y ago
That’s a new one. Cookie pop ups caused Brexit, you say? Interesting because the Brexit vote happened in June 2016 and GDPR came into effect two years later in May 2018. But what’s funny is, you’re right in a way. Many of the criticisms of the EU were just elaborate fictions concocted by right wing tabloids. We can add “GDPR caused Brexit” to that pile of falsehoods.
- madeofpalk 4y ago
  To be fair (not that it's needed), cookie popups were EU law before GDPR
- xnorswap 4y ago
  Worth noting that the "cookie popup" law was older than GDPR.
- Reason077 4y ago
  Cookie popups have been around since long before the GDPR. They started with the EU ePrivacy Directive (2002/58/EC) passed in 2002 and amended in 2009. So although people now associate them with the GDPR, cookie popups were already an annoyance for many years before. Unfortunately, the UK seems to be taking advantage of the (rightful) public backlash against cookie popups to also try to revoke many of the good parts of the GDPR.
e2le 4y ago
Only consent is needed for cookies that aren't strictly necessary. https://gdpr.eu/cookies/ https://gdpr.eu/cookies/ If a site is asking for consent, they're either idiots who don't understand what the law requires of them or they intend on tracking their users.

rajman187 4y ago

I’m more and more certain than brexit was ultimately a move to ensure the status of London as the world’s money laundering capital “A radical Financial Services bill, drawn up by former chancellor and Tory leadership contender Rishi Sunak, will be published on Wednesday. It will pave the way for ministers to be able to “call in” regulatory decisions made by the BoE that they do not like. “Nadhim Zahawi, who succeeded Sunak as chancellor this month, will endorse Sunak’s plan for a more “growth-focused” approach to City regulation in his Mansion House speech on Tuesday.” [1] [1] https://twitter.com/financialtimes/status/1548773229266931714?s=21&t=T3ur7CFdoCqdIxKrZhMkhA https://twitter.com/financialtimes/status/154877322926693171... [2] https://youtu.be/HDq13Lr2ZWw https://youtu.be/HDq13Lr2ZWw [3] https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-sets-out-plan-to-make-uk-a-global-cryptoasset-technology-hub https://www.gov.uk/government/news/government-sets-out-plan-...

12ian34 4y ago
Also see Tortoise's excellent investigative reporting on "Londongrad"[0]: [0]: https://www.tortoisemedia.com/listen/londongrad/ https://www.tortoisemedia.com/listen/londongrad/

thedonkeycometh 4y ago

gadders 4y ago

I think this is just the blatant protectionism that the EU is well known for.

rsynnott 4y ago
... The UK threatening to adopt a variant watered-down GDPR is... EU protectionism? Truly, the powers of these Brussels bureaucrats know no bounds, using EU Mind Control to make Britain self-sabotage.
- gadders 4y ago
  ...The EU using an update to a rule as a pretext? Yeah, never happened ever.

Havoc 4y ago

Isn’t that the whole point of brexit? Introducing incompatible changes - supposedly beneficial ones Feels like more of the same schroedingers brexit BS - “we want things to change but also stay the same”

billpg 4y ago

Brexity politicians still half-arsing it, I see.

amriksohata 4y ago

The EU cookie legislation is so out of date, made by bureaucrats rather than technocrats. There are so many ways to track users now including html5 canvas thumbprinting, URLs etc.

fmajid 4y ago

Of course they will. That’s why any company with a brain’s been looking to transition to EU data centers, with the UK told not to bother running.