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Maybe in your middle class bubble all the smart kids graduate high school with good grades. From meeting people in a variety of walks of life in the USA it seem

Maybe in your middle class bubble all the smart kids graduate high school with good grades. From meeting people in a variety of walks of life in the USA it seems to me that what actually happens is that your grades are determined by zip code lottery with smart kids in underfunded school districts set up to fail by poor schools.

Jensson 4y ago
Half of my high school class dropped out and I got a good view of the average of society in the military, I have seen a ton of people struggle from all walks of life. Also it is so strange that people here don't think that poor wages has any effect on the quality of workers in construction, even though they believe that to be true basically everywhere else. I strongly believe the reason we see so many problems with construction is simply that the wages today are so skewed and that greatly impacts the availability of talent, since people who can choose to go elsewhere mostly do so today. Only reason I can think of is that most here assumes construction work is so easy that you don't need to be that smart to do well there. Otherwise I don't understand these comments.
- coldtea 4y ago
  I don't think millitary experience is a good starting point to base assumptions about society in general or unrelated industries. It's a whole microcosm with its own constraints... In fact, since you piss on construction, one of the oldest running jokes is how dumb the millitary people are, and how illogical millitary is.
  - kortilla 4y ago
    > In fact, since you piss on construction, one of the oldest running jokes is how dumb the millitary people are, and how illogical millitary is. Wow, that is a really funny joke. “How illogical military is!”
    - coldtea 4y ago
      Is it? The half-joke/half-truth that "millitary intelligence" is an oxymoron has been widely circulated - heck, there are even Quora layman questions that take it for granted. [1] https://www.quora.com/Why-is-military-intelligence-considered-an-oxymoron-Is-this-a-correct-classification https://www.quora.com/Why-is-military-intelligence-considere... And of course all kind of insider jokes about such illogicallity and inefficiency (including long standing acronyms, like S.N.A.F.U), about how high command has little understanding of the situation on the ground in any real scenario, things dressed-up to look good, and so on.
      - lelanthran 4y ago
        The "Military is stupid" trope is so well-known by now that I assumed everyone knew where the phrase Catch-22 came from[1]. Note, I am not saying that the military is stupid, I am saying that the trope is simply very well known by now. [1] A work of fiction.
- bumby 4y ago
  Let me at least propose one alternate view. Construction is a very conservative business that innovates slowly. This is partly by design. It carries a lot of risk to human safety and capital that isn’t amenable to the “fail fast” paradigm of SV.
- georgeoliver 4y ago
  > I strongly believe the reason we see so many problems with construction is simply that the wages today are so skewed and that greatly impacts the availability of talent I guess that explains why the majority of software is so performant, bug free and a pleasure to use?

Jensson 4y ago

Half of my high school class dropped out and I got a good view of the average of society in the military, I have seen a ton of people struggle from all walks of life. Also it is so strange that people here don't think that poor wages has any effect on the quality of workers in construction, even though they believe that to be true basically everywhere else. I strongly believe the reason we see so many problems with construction is simply that the wages today are so skewed and that greatly impacts the availability of talent, since people who can choose to go elsewhere mostly do so today. Only reason I can think of is that most here assumes construction work is so easy that you don't need to be that smart to do well there. Otherwise I don't understand these comments.

coldtea 4y ago
I don't think millitary experience is a good starting point to base assumptions about society in general or unrelated industries. It's a whole microcosm with its own constraints... In fact, since you piss on construction, one of the oldest running jokes is how dumb the millitary people are, and how illogical millitary is.
- kortilla 4y ago
  > In fact, since you piss on construction, one of the oldest running jokes is how dumb the millitary people are, and how illogical millitary is. Wow, that is a really funny joke. “How illogical military is!”
  - coldtea 4y ago
    Is it? The half-joke/half-truth that "millitary intelligence" is an oxymoron has been widely circulated - heck, there are even Quora layman questions that take it for granted. [1] https://www.quora.com/Why-is-military-intelligence-considered-an-oxymoron-Is-this-a-correct-classification https://www.quora.com/Why-is-military-intelligence-considere... And of course all kind of insider jokes about such illogicallity and inefficiency (including long standing acronyms, like S.N.A.F.U), about how high command has little understanding of the situation on the ground in any real scenario, things dressed-up to look good, and so on.
    - lelanthran 4y ago
      The "Military is stupid" trope is so well-known by now that I assumed everyone knew where the phrase Catch-22 came from[1]. Note, I am not saying that the military is stupid, I am saying that the trope is simply very well known by now. [1] A work of fiction.
bumby 4y ago
Let me at least propose one alternate view. Construction is a very conservative business that innovates slowly. This is partly by design. It carries a lot of risk to human safety and capital that isn’t amenable to the “fail fast” paradigm of SV.
georgeoliver 4y ago
> I strongly believe the reason we see so many problems with construction is simply that the wages today are so skewed and that greatly impacts the availability of talent I guess that explains why the majority of software is so performant, bug free and a pleasure to use?