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> So nobody downloads the app? Some apps are unavoidable for most people, like whatsapp or facebook.

by nuker 4y ago

ThatPlayer 4y ago
WhatsApp is avoidable with this same law forcing interoperability with other messaging clients. Facebook's app is avoidable with a browser and Facebook.com . Actually WhatsApp's app is avoidable in the same way.
- tekknik 4y ago
  They’re all avoidable by just not using them. Use that fancy text message feature of your phone to communicate. 30 years ago these apps didn’t exist and people somehow continued to exist without them.
  - hammyhavoc 4y ago
    Implying SMS is anywhere near comparable to modern-day IM is hilarious, it isn't even encrypted. RCS makes SMS look archaic. Future is Matrix.
    - tekknik 4y ago
      Because everybody needs their conversations encrypted. What was that liberal saying, what are you hiding? Most people are not targeted by some state actor
      - hammyhavoc 4y ago
        Dude, get with the times. With a few bucks of hardware, anybody can intercept SMS all day long, that's why 2FA via SMS is considered bad form.
        tekknik 4y ago
        Ok, now tell me why i want to snoop on my neighbors SMS? Or why they want to see me asking my wife what to make for dinner? Are you aware of man in the middle attacks? Do you think encrypted channels are safe from state actors? Also most phones don’t even use SMS anymore, and instead go through an encrypted server to make it so you can hide your traffic from your neighbors. Get with reality, not everybody wants or needs what your selling here.
        hammyhavoc 4y ago
        It isn't about neighbours, it is about criminals. Of course I am aware of this. Spend $16 and sit in a coffee shop for an hour, guarantee you'll intercept plenty of SMS: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2021/03/16-attack-let-hacker-intercept-a-t-mobile-users-text-messages/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2021/03/16-at... Not selling anything here considering every reasonable solution to this problem is something offered for free, or can be mitigated by a user with FOSS.
        tekknik 4y ago
        Yea totally normal for a majority to use SMS in my country when both platforms send messages through their own encrypted servers. I don’t have this problem, nobody in my family does, so now explain to me why I should use matrix?
tekknik 4y ago
Those are very avoidable. Try work apps like slack, teams, concur.
- hammyhavoc 4y ago
  I just bridge them to Matrix, and get it all in Element.
  - tekknik 4y ago
    We get that you like matrix.
    - hammyhavoc 4y ago
      But do you also get that I'm autistic and can go on about things to the point of pissing off complete strangers?
      - petre 4y ago
        Fortunately HN has "you're posting too fast" rate controls.

> So nobody downloads the app? Some apps are unavoidable for most people, like whatsapp or facebook.

by nuker 4y ago

> So nobody downloads the app? Some apps are unavoidable for most people, like whatsapp or facebook.

WhatsApp is avoidable with this same law forcing interoperability with other messaging clients. Facebook's app is avoidable with a browser and Facebook.com . Actually WhatsApp's app is avoidable in the same way.

tekknik 4y ago
They’re all avoidable by just not using them. Use that fancy text message feature of your phone to communicate. 30 years ago these apps didn’t exist and people somehow continued to exist without them.
- hammyhavoc 4y ago
  Implying SMS is anywhere near comparable to modern-day IM is hilarious, it isn't even encrypted. RCS makes SMS look archaic. Future is Matrix.
  - tekknik 4y ago
    Because everybody needs their conversations encrypted. What was that liberal saying, what are you hiding? Most people are not targeted by some state actor
    - hammyhavoc 4y ago
      Dude, get with the times. With a few bucks of hardware, anybody can intercept SMS all day long, that's why 2FA via SMS is considered bad form.
      - tekknik 4y ago
        Ok, now tell me why i want to snoop on my neighbors SMS? Or why they want to see me asking my wife what to make for dinner? Are you aware of man in the middle attacks? Do you think encrypted channels are safe from state actors? Also most phones don’t even use SMS anymore, and instead go through an encrypted server to make it so you can hide your traffic from your neighbors. Get with reality, not everybody wants or needs what your selling here.
        hammyhavoc 4y ago
        It isn't about neighbours, it is about criminals. Of course I am aware of this. Spend $16 and sit in a coffee shop for an hour, guarantee you'll intercept plenty of SMS: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2021/03/16-attack-let-hacker-intercept-a-t-mobile-users-text-messages/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2021/03/16-at... Not selling anything here considering every reasonable solution to this problem is something offered for free, or can be mitigated by a user with FOSS.
        tekknik 4y ago
        Yea totally normal for a majority to use SMS in my country when both platforms send messages through their own encrypted servers. I don’t have this problem, nobody in my family does, so now explain to me why I should use matrix?

tekknik 4y ago

Those are very avoidable. Try work apps like slack, teams, concur.

hammyhavoc 4y ago
I just bridge them to Matrix, and get it all in Element.
- tekknik 4y ago
  We get that you like matrix.
  - hammyhavoc 4y ago
    But do you also get that I'm autistic and can go on about things to the point of pissing off complete strangers?
    - petre 4y ago
      Fortunately HN has "you're posting too fast" rate controls.