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>Based on this more specific info, I don't actually think this is offensive at all, and it's actually rather funny. Really? It's just a collection of crude jok

by ceol 15y ago

>Based on this more specific info, I don't actually think this is offensive at all, and it's actually rather funny. Really? It's just a collection of crude jokes. I can't imagine how you could present those slides in anything other than a perverted manner.

jonhendry 15y ago
Well, the session was titled "The Ten Dirty Words And How To Use Them". If you sign up for a class about human sexual behavior, you shouldn't be offended when they talk about anal sex.
- ceol 15y ago
  Are you really equating signing up for a developer conference to signing up for a class on sexual behavior? If I take a class on human sexual behavior, I don't expect 80% of it to be dick jokes.
  - jonhendry 15y ago
    No, I'm equating a conference session, likely one of several running at the time, described in the title itself as involving "dirty words", to a class on sexual behavior. If you go to a session that says it involves dirty words, you really shouldn't be surprised or offended when it involves dirty words, or at least attempts at saucy double entendres. Admittedly, one might think "dirty words" wasn't meant so literally - perhaps it meant "words that describe things you shouldn't do, like 'over-release'". That ought to have been made clear in the conference materials.
    - pyre 15y ago
      I think the real thing here is that if the entire point of the session is to make dirty programming jokes, does the content of that session really provide anything to the conference? I don't think many people go to conferences expecting it to be like a comedy club... Just sayin'
      - alphakappa 15y ago
        When that is the stated purpose of the talk, then one has the option to avoid it. It doesn't seem fair to attend a talk that warns you of its nature, and then complain about it.
      - jonhendry 15y ago
        I suppose it depends on the technical content. The session was pretty much using groan worthy euphemisms as a way of selecting a limited set of things to cover. That slice through the APIs may cover different things than other sessions that deal with more monolithic topics like 'Core Animation' or 'Core Data'.
JonnieCache 15y ago
>I can't imagine how you could present those slides in anything other than a perverted manner. Off the top of my head: * Feign outrage, deliver the talk as if you are furious at apple for including such filth. "WHAT IF MY CHILDREN WERE TO HAPPEN UPON THIS API?!?" and so on. * Feign acute embarrassment, as if one has been forced to deliver a talk about programming but cannot concentrate because of the distress these perfectly normal method names cause to your repressed puritan 1950s mind. Mumble, sweat, stammer, dart your eyes around but never actually say anything bad. * Deliver the talk deadpan, but become increasingly upset at the audience's inevitable laughter at the bad words. Admonish them loudly for being so low-minded. When you deliver the last and crudest method name, with suitably overloaded timing, throw your notes to the ground and storm off the stage during the laughter.
- ceol 15y ago
  Those seem like stretches. I really can't see the slides fitting with feigned outrage considering the very first joke is "You said 'member'." and, a bit later, "autorelease — Enjoy while you can." Feigning embarrassment is possible but extremely unlikely, given every "dirty word" has a comment at the end of its section emphasizing the joke. I appreciate your comments, though. It's always good to have someone representing the other side in a reasonable manner.
- stfu 15y ago
  Absolutely true. I would support any criticism of a lack of female presenters and so on. But "criticizing" humor is in my view the highest form of arrogance existing. Telling other people what they are allowed to find funny and what not is just pure hypocrisy. If someone can't look behind a few unfunny remarks and pull the "I AM OFFENDED" card, any further argument seems impossible. I think there is a need besides the reductio ad hitlerum to introduce a reductio ad affendendum.
  - pyre 15y ago
    'A few' seems to be the operative phrase here. At least in the one talk, it sounds like the entire talk was just an excuse to make dirty jokes, and actually had a lack of content. If the even itself is meant to be professional, then don't bring in presenters that are more interested in being comedians than actually teaching.

by ceol 15y ago

jonhendry 15y ago

Well, the session was titled "The Ten Dirty Words And How To Use Them". If you sign up for a class about human sexual behavior, you shouldn't be offended when they talk about anal sex.

ceol 15y ago
Are you really equating signing up for a developer conference to signing up for a class on sexual behavior? If I take a class on human sexual behavior, I don't expect 80% of it to be dick jokes.
- jonhendry 15y ago
  No, I'm equating a conference session, likely one of several running at the time, described in the title itself as involving "dirty words", to a class on sexual behavior. If you go to a session that says it involves dirty words, you really shouldn't be surprised or offended when it involves dirty words, or at least attempts at saucy double entendres. Admittedly, one might think "dirty words" wasn't meant so literally - perhaps it meant "words that describe things you shouldn't do, like 'over-release'". That ought to have been made clear in the conference materials.
  - pyre 15y ago
    I think the real thing here is that if the entire point of the session is to make dirty programming jokes, does the content of that session really provide anything to the conference? I don't think many people go to conferences expecting it to be like a comedy club... Just sayin'
    - alphakappa 15y ago
      When that is the stated purpose of the talk, then one has the option to avoid it. It doesn't seem fair to attend a talk that warns you of its nature, and then complain about it.
    - jonhendry 15y ago
      I suppose it depends on the technical content. The session was pretty much using groan worthy euphemisms as a way of selecting a limited set of things to cover. That slice through the APIs may cover different things than other sessions that deal with more monolithic topics like 'Core Animation' or 'Core Data'.

JonnieCache 15y ago

>I can't imagine how you could present those slides in anything other than a perverted manner. Off the top of my head: * Feign outrage, deliver the talk as if you are furious at apple for including such filth. "WHAT IF MY CHILDREN WERE TO HAPPEN UPON THIS API?!?" and so on. * Feign acute embarrassment, as if one has been forced to deliver a talk about programming but cannot concentrate because of the distress these perfectly normal method names cause to your repressed puritan 1950s mind. Mumble, sweat, stammer, dart your eyes around but never actually say anything bad. * Deliver the talk deadpan, but become increasingly upset at the audience's inevitable laughter at the bad words. Admonish them loudly for being so low-minded. When you deliver the last and crudest method name, with suitably overloaded timing, throw your notes to the ground and storm off the stage during the laughter.

ceol 15y ago
Those seem like stretches. I really can't see the slides fitting with feigned outrage considering the very first joke is "You said 'member'." and, a bit later, "autorelease — Enjoy while you can." Feigning embarrassment is possible but extremely unlikely, given every "dirty word" has a comment at the end of its section emphasizing the joke. I appreciate your comments, though. It's always good to have someone representing the other side in a reasonable manner.
stfu 15y ago
Absolutely true. I would support any criticism of a lack of female presenters and so on. But "criticizing" humor is in my view the highest form of arrogance existing. Telling other people what they are allowed to find funny and what not is just pure hypocrisy. If someone can't look behind a few unfunny remarks and pull the "I AM OFFENDED" card, any further argument seems impossible. I think there is a need besides the reductio ad hitlerum to introduce a reductio ad affendendum.
- pyre 15y ago
  'A few' seems to be the operative phrase here. At least in the one talk, it sounds like the entire talk was just an excuse to make dirty jokes, and actually had a lack of content. If the even itself is meant to be professional, then don't bring in presenters that are more interested in being comedians than actually teaching.