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FogBugz is now part of the IgniteTech family

22 points by LilBytes 4y ago

ilrwbwrkhv 4y ago
"Where software goes to live" sounds tongue in cheek.
- RcouF1uZ4gsC 4y ago
  Seems like a retirement home for software. Kind of like the Apache project.
- partomniscient 4y ago
  I remember a guy at work calling Compuware the place that "Software goes to die", although I'm sure there are many other examples.
erik_seaberg 4y ago
Hm, a bundle of maintenance mode software is a better fate than the usual "our incredible journey."
krallja 4y ago
Some context: FogBugz was acquired in 2018 by DevFactory, a different ESW-funded company.[0] The new owners promised that FogBugz would be rewritten in under 5000 lines of code.[1] (For comparison, the Flash ActionScript code for the “evidence-based scheduling” feature’s UI alone was over 5000 LOC.) Nathan Vardi, then at Forbes, called ESW a “global software sweat shop”. Not really relevant to FogBugz, but maybe it explains some of what’s behind this IP transfer [2] DevFactory announced the alpha of Cloud Native FogBugz in 2021 [3] Now, in this article, IgniteTech is promising: > 1) to save and stabilize the software and business[… and] 2) to continuously innovate and transition products to the AWS cloud implying, to me, that the DevFactory “cloud native” version was a total failure, and that the old creaky legacy .NET version they acquired is too expensive for DevFactory to be able to run, and also somehow not yet fully transitioned to AWS?! (I had heard that they decommissioned the physical colo datacenter by 2019, so I’m not sure where FogBugz is actually running now.) [0] https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/devfactory-acquires-manuscript-from-fog-creek-software-300700638.html https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/devfactory-acquires... [1] https://twitter.com/FogBugzTeam/status/1098287969700433920 https://twitter.com/FogBugzTeam/status/1098287969700433920 [2] https://www.forbes.com/sites/nathanvardi/2018/11/19/how-a-mysterious-tech-billionaire-created-two-fortunesand-a-global-software-sweatshop/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/nathanvardi/2018/11/19/how-a-my... [3] https://blog.fogbugz.com/fogbugz-the-road-ahead https://blog.fogbugz.com/fogbugz-the-road-ahead
ahartmetz 4y ago
For all of Joel Spolsky sounding smart in essays on the internet (hey, I like them, too), I've heard that FogBugz was / is not a very good product, actually. Does anyone have additional information about the product?
- wruza 4y ago
  I don’t, but the early blogging definitely could skew our perception. Nowadays I’d take everything with a grain of salt, including his blog. I believe I tried to use FogBugz back then but iirc the price was absolutely prohibitive at that moment.
- LilBytes 4y ago
  We're currently used it, I'm also the OP. The product sucks, I've been using it for about ~18 months and it's been stale and close to abandoneware for longer than that. For me it's too little too late, we're moving else where.
  - krallja 4y ago
    Sorry, LB. 18 months is about half as long as it has been owned by private equity, and unfortunately the product was being under-invested in when I was last working on it 3 years ago. It’s sad to see it languish, since I and many of my friends spent so long working on it.
    - LilBytes 4y ago
      Always hurts to see something you were once proud and happy to be working on languish away and deteriorate, you've my condolences too friend.
- throwawaymanbot 4y ago
- rightbyte 4y ago
  Dunno but Spolsky wrote there was some developer velocity metric in some blog post about estimations he was really proud of. So I guess it some proto-Jira with Scrum madness.

22 points by LilBytes 4y ago

ilrwbwrkhv 4y ago

"Where software goes to live" sounds tongue in cheek.

RcouF1uZ4gsC 4y ago
Seems like a retirement home for software. Kind of like the Apache project.
partomniscient 4y ago
I remember a guy at work calling Compuware the place that "Software goes to die", although I'm sure there are many other examples.

erik_seaberg 4y ago

Hm, a bundle of maintenance mode software is a better fate than the usual "our incredible journey."

krallja 4y ago

Some context: FogBugz was acquired in 2018 by DevFactory, a different ESW-funded company.[0] The new owners promised that FogBugz would be rewritten in under 5000 lines of code.[1] (For comparison, the Flash ActionScript code for the “evidence-based scheduling” feature’s UI alone was over 5000 LOC.) Nathan Vardi, then at Forbes, called ESW a “global software sweat shop”. Not really relevant to FogBugz, but maybe it explains some of what’s behind this IP transfer [2] DevFactory announced the alpha of Cloud Native FogBugz in 2021 [3] Now, in this article, IgniteTech is promising: > 1) to save and stabilize the software and business[… and] 2) to continuously innovate and transition products to the AWS cloud implying, to me, that the DevFactory “cloud native” version was a total failure, and that the old creaky legacy .NET version they acquired is too expensive for DevFactory to be able to run, and also somehow not yet fully transitioned to AWS?! (I had heard that they decommissioned the physical colo datacenter by 2019, so I’m not sure where FogBugz is actually running now.) [0] https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/devfactory-acquires-manuscript-from-fog-creek-software-300700638.html https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/devfactory-acquires... [1] https://twitter.com/FogBugzTeam/status/1098287969700433920 https://twitter.com/FogBugzTeam/status/1098287969700433920 [2] https://www.forbes.com/sites/nathanvardi/2018/11/19/how-a-mysterious-tech-billionaire-created-two-fortunesand-a-global-software-sweatshop/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/nathanvardi/2018/11/19/how-a-my... [3] https://blog.fogbugz.com/fogbugz-the-road-ahead https://blog.fogbugz.com/fogbugz-the-road-ahead

ahartmetz 4y ago

For all of Joel Spolsky sounding smart in essays on the internet (hey, I like them, too), I've heard that FogBugz was / is not a very good product, actually. Does anyone have additional information about the product?

wruza 4y ago
I don’t, but the early blogging definitely could skew our perception. Nowadays I’d take everything with a grain of salt, including his blog. I believe I tried to use FogBugz back then but iirc the price was absolutely prohibitive at that moment.
LilBytes 4y ago
We're currently used it, I'm also the OP. The product sucks, I've been using it for about ~18 months and it's been stale and close to abandoneware for longer than that. For me it's too little too late, we're moving else where.
- krallja 4y ago
  Sorry, LB. 18 months is about half as long as it has been owned by private equity, and unfortunately the product was being under-invested in when I was last working on it 3 years ago. It’s sad to see it languish, since I and many of my friends spent so long working on it.
  - LilBytes 4y ago
    Always hurts to see something you were once proud and happy to be working on languish away and deteriorate, you've my condolences too friend.
throwawaymanbot 4y ago
rightbyte 4y ago
Dunno but Spolsky wrote there was some developer velocity metric in some blog post about estimations he was really proud of. So I guess it some proto-Jira with Scrum madness.