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> that make it so the only way any application on the system can access the identifier is by permission from the user? And let's say the user says No. Today th

by nuker 4y ago

> that make it so the only way any application on the system can access the identifier is by permission from the user? And let's say the user says No. Today the app will be forced to work without it. By Apple Store rules. Tomorrow the app will say "this permission is required for app to work".

8note 4y ago
So nobody downloads the app? Or are you afraid that other app users don't care about your needs, and are trying to force them into agreeing with you? The government offers a democratic way to determine these requirements
- nikanj 4y ago
  When we tried to restrict cookie tracking via voluntary consent, every site installed an cookie consent overlay, where agreeing to cookies is one click, not agreeing is seventy-eight clicks.
  - headsoup 4y ago
    Almost every site I've had this pop-up on required no more than 2-5 clicks -> manage cookie options -> either select ok because everything but 'required' is already off or deselect a couple of options then ok. That's easy after doing it a couple of times, it's pure laziness to say that's too hard, and we should not accept that as a good excuse to remove it.
    - tekknik 4y ago
      It’s easy but very annoying. Especially when you have a secure setup that randomizes identifiers or removes cookies after the session such that the next session and every session after that you get the prompt. And how many people do you think actually take the time to deselect things? Your example here is the simplest case. Many sites it’s much more than 5-7 clicks as the pop up has a tabbed interface with 10+ checkboxes per tab. What was this supposed to accomplish again? Harass users?
- nuker 4y ago
  > So nobody downloads the app? Some apps are unavoidable for most people, like whatsapp or facebook.
  - ThatPlayer 4y ago
    WhatsApp is avoidable with this same law forcing interoperability with other messaging clients. Facebook's app is avoidable with a browser and Facebook.com . Actually WhatsApp's app is avoidable in the same way.
    - tekknik 4y ago
      They’re all avoidable by just not using them. Use that fancy text message feature of your phone to communicate. 30 years ago these apps didn’t exist and people somehow continued to exist without them.
      - hammyhavoc 4y ago
        Implying SMS is anywhere near comparable to modern-day IM is hilarious, it isn't even encrypted. RCS makes SMS look archaic. Future is Matrix.
        tekknik 4y ago
        Because everybody needs their conversations encrypted. What was that liberal saying, what are you hiding? Most people are not targeted by some state actor
        hammyhavoc 4y ago
        Dude, get with the times. With a few bucks of hardware, anybody can intercept SMS all day long, that's why 2FA via SMS is considered bad form.
        tekknik 4y ago

by nuker 4y ago

8note 4y ago

So nobody downloads the app? Or are you afraid that other app users don't care about your needs, and are trying to force them into agreeing with you? The government offers a democratic way to determine these requirements

nikanj 4y ago
When we tried to restrict cookie tracking via voluntary consent, every site installed an cookie consent overlay, where agreeing to cookies is one click, not agreeing is seventy-eight clicks.
- headsoup 4y ago
  Almost every site I've had this pop-up on required no more than 2-5 clicks -> manage cookie options -> either select ok because everything but 'required' is already off or deselect a couple of options then ok. That's easy after doing it a couple of times, it's pure laziness to say that's too hard, and we should not accept that as a good excuse to remove it.
  - tekknik 4y ago
    It’s easy but very annoying. Especially when you have a secure setup that randomizes identifiers or removes cookies after the session such that the next session and every session after that you get the prompt. And how many people do you think actually take the time to deselect things? Your example here is the simplest case. Many sites it’s much more than 5-7 clicks as the pop up has a tabbed interface with 10+ checkboxes per tab. What was this supposed to accomplish again? Harass users?
nuker 4y ago
> So nobody downloads the app? Some apps are unavoidable for most people, like whatsapp or facebook.
- ThatPlayer 4y ago
  WhatsApp is avoidable with this same law forcing interoperability with other messaging clients. Facebook's app is avoidable with a browser and Facebook.com . Actually WhatsApp's app is avoidable in the same way.
  - tekknik 4y ago
    They’re all avoidable by just not using them. Use that fancy text message feature of your phone to communicate. 30 years ago these apps didn’t exist and people somehow continued to exist without them.
    - hammyhavoc 4y ago
      Implying SMS is anywhere near comparable to modern-day IM is hilarious, it isn't even encrypted. RCS makes SMS look archaic. Future is Matrix.
      - tekknik 4y ago
        Because everybody needs their conversations encrypted. What was that liberal saying, what are you hiding? Most people are not targeted by some state actor
        hammyhavoc 4y ago
        Dude, get with the times. With a few bucks of hardware, anybody can intercept SMS all day long, that's why 2FA via SMS is considered bad form.
        tekknik 4y ago