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I dunno, I'm starting to see the world as more and more complex (aka many inputs contribute to many outputs) and yet maybe too complex for us as humans so we la

I dunno, I'm starting to see the world as more and more complex (aka many inputs contribute to many outputs) and yet maybe too complex for us as humans so we latch onto one input causing one output. I see lots of side road construction in the northern Detroit suburbs, the interstates have been under major construction for at least 2-3 years, and overall, it seems as if there's lots of construction. Is it from Whitmer? From the feds? From local cities? I don't know, probably a combination of all three and more. Same with why the street cars disappeared. I think our anger/fear can make us think it was one and only one group or person who made such things happen, I just think that's probably a subjective perspective more than an objective reality. Edit: also I hadn't heard of Whitmer giving money to GM, could you share a link about that? All I can find is that she helped GM make their own $7B investment in Michigan.

uluyol 4y ago
I've lived in MI for the past 7 years, and MN before that (I still have family there). Construction in MI seems to have ramped up quite a bit lately, but is still not comparable to the amount of rebuilding that goes on in MN. There's definitely progress, but there's still a long way before I would consider the situation good.
- jimkleiber 4y ago
  Oh yes, I don't think the roads are in the condition in which I'd like them to be, I also wonder why the roads in Michigan seem so bad and maybe it really is just the lack of construction. Just read an article by Crain's Detroit from earlier this year[0] talking about how it may mostly just be underfunding of road repair, as: > Michigan's current system at the state level relies solely on fuel consumption and the value of vehicles to generate revenue for roads. I wonder how Minnesota fares in terms of budget for roads. Also just read this on r/civilengineering[1]: > Civil Engineer/Construction PM in Michigan. It’s a combination of three things. > 1. Money, for both construction and routine maintenance. Our government is trying to fix this but it’s all political > 2. Climate. Roads in southern states will naturally be nicer because less freeze/thaw & de-icing chemicals on the roads > 3. Weight limits. Because of the auto industry, Michigan has one of the heaviest loads allowed on our freeways. People will say it’s spread across more axles to counter this but I personally have my doubts. And finally, one more list[2]. [0]: https://www.crainsdetroit.com/crains-forum/why-are-michigans-roads-so-bad https://www.crainsdetroit.com/crains-forum/why-are-michigans... [1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/civilengineering/comments/vtjnxz/comment/if7whdn/ https://www.reddit.com/r/civilengineering/comments/vtjnxz/co... [2]: https://www.moneybeagle.com/michigan-roads-bad-10-things-know/ https://www.moneybeagle.com/michigan-roads-bad-10-things-kno...
rmason 4y ago
I found the news where the state gave GM money for the new battery plant in Lansing: https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-government/michigan-legislature-passes-1b-incentive-plan-big-projects-gm https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-government/michigan-legisl... But they also gave them close to that for an additional plant down by Detroit. Also we just learned that when GM went bankrupt in 2009 and the federal government bailed them out that the state of Michigan gave them $3.8 billion although the news was never made public. It took 13 years for this to be made public so you have to wonder what other deals are still private. https://www.michiganradio.org/economy/2022-07-06/michigan-gave-gm-a-3-8-billion-tax-credit-cap-in-2009-the-company-reveals https://www.michiganradio.org/economy/2022-07-06/michigan-ga...

uluyol 4y ago

I've lived in MI for the past 7 years, and MN before that (I still have family there). Construction in MI seems to have ramped up quite a bit lately, but is still not comparable to the amount of rebuilding that goes on in MN. There's definitely progress, but there's still a long way before I would consider the situation good.

jimkleiber 4y ago
Oh yes, I don't think the roads are in the condition in which I'd like them to be, I also wonder why the roads in Michigan seem so bad and maybe it really is just the lack of construction. Just read an article by Crain's Detroit from earlier this year[0] talking about how it may mostly just be underfunding of road repair, as: > Michigan's current system at the state level relies solely on fuel consumption and the value of vehicles to generate revenue for roads. I wonder how Minnesota fares in terms of budget for roads. Also just read this on r/civilengineering[1]: > Civil Engineer/Construction PM in Michigan. It’s a combination of three things. > 1. Money, for both construction and routine maintenance. Our government is trying to fix this but it’s all political > 2. Climate. Roads in southern states will naturally be nicer because less freeze/thaw & de-icing chemicals on the roads > 3. Weight limits. Because of the auto industry, Michigan has one of the heaviest loads allowed on our freeways. People will say it’s spread across more axles to counter this but I personally have my doubts. And finally, one more list[2]. [0]: https://www.crainsdetroit.com/crains-forum/why-are-michigans-roads-so-bad https://www.crainsdetroit.com/crains-forum/why-are-michigans... [1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/civilengineering/comments/vtjnxz/comment/if7whdn/ https://www.reddit.com/r/civilengineering/comments/vtjnxz/co... [2]: https://www.moneybeagle.com/michigan-roads-bad-10-things-know/ https://www.moneybeagle.com/michigan-roads-bad-10-things-kno...

rmason 4y ago

I found the news where the state gave GM money for the new battery plant in Lansing: https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-government/michigan-legislature-passes-1b-incentive-plan-big-projects-gm https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-government/michigan-legisl... But they also gave them close to that for an additional plant down by Detroit. Also we just learned that when GM went bankrupt in 2009 and the federal government bailed them out that the state of Michigan gave them $3.8 billion although the news was never made public. It took 13 years for this to be made public so you have to wonder what other deals are still private. https://www.michiganradio.org/economy/2022-07-06/michigan-gave-gm-a-3-8-billion-tax-credit-cap-in-2009-the-company-reveals https://www.michiganradio.org/economy/2022-07-06/michigan-ga...