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I'm not quite understanding this argument. If you prefer to stay behind a "walled garden", then you still can. The difference being that you will personally e

by Tozen 4y ago

I'm not quite understanding this argument. If you prefer to stay behind a "walled garden", then you still can. The difference being that you will personally enforce your own preferences for all things dictated or suggested by Apple versus Apple imposing what they want upon everyone. The "walled garden" will be your own mentally imposed constraint. Though you and various others might prefer the "walled garden", that is not to say that all Apple users prefer it that way. Clearly, as jailbreaking demonstrates, there are significant numbers of iPhone users that didn't and don't want to stay behind Apple's jail or wall.

martimarkov 4y ago
Then go and buy an android phone. Honestly this looks to me like I bought a petrol car and I want it to be electric. You have a choice when you buy things. I want the walled garden for my parents so that I can tell them - anything you install is safe so don’t stress. I think most engineers are so narrow minded and don’t understand a vast majority of the user base that it’s insane. Ppl made the decision to buy a specific device. Respect their choice. You don’t like it? Don’t develop for that OS…
- Tozen 4y ago
  You are disrespecting the choice of iPhone owners, who want freedom of choice on a product they paid for. That's what jailbreaking was/is all about and the various App Store alternatives. It also shows a lack of understanding on the EU's position in regards to fair business practices, where Apple snuffs out any competition. Apple is not suppressing competition out of the kindness of their hearts, they did so to maximize profits off of their captive user base. If you want to follow Apple's future suggested practices, then you will still be able to, it just won't be forcibly imposed on all users.
- jerojero 4y ago
  There might be some apps and hardware that are desirable on the iPhone and some apps that are desirable on an android phone. For example, I might want to use iMessage without any of the restrictions that you get on other non apple devices. This is huge, my friends all have iPhones and use iMessage. I don't want a neutered experience. What happens to family that rely on these tools, mom's that are looking into buying their child's first phone? This is how people become trapped in these ecosystems. The camera on iPhones is really good, apps like Snapchat or Instagram have always functioned way better on iPhone than on android. There are many reasons why someone would want to use a lot of apps developed for the iPhone. But they might also have extra needs. Personally, I do have an android phone, and besides the apps that I've installed through the playstore I have lots of alternative apps from the f droid. They're great. I have wanted to try the iPhone because I know my mainstream apps would work better in the iPhone. But alas, there are too many restrictions. Why would having more choice be a bad thing?
martin8412 4y ago
And this law is taking away my preference. I WANT to pay through Apple, because they make it easy. Subscriptions through Apple are super easy to cancel. That will for certain be gone, because now they get away with all their shady schemes that make it close to impossible to cancel. I want to pay with Apple Pay, because it is rock solid. I don't want to be forced into the banks half-baked crap app.

by Tozen 4y ago

martimarkov 4y ago

Then go and buy an android phone. Honestly this looks to me like I bought a petrol car and I want it to be electric. You have a choice when you buy things. I want the walled garden for my parents so that I can tell them - anything you install is safe so don’t stress. I think most engineers are so narrow minded and don’t understand a vast majority of the user base that it’s insane. Ppl made the decision to buy a specific device. Respect their choice. You don’t like it? Don’t develop for that OS…

Tozen 4y ago
You are disrespecting the choice of iPhone owners, who want freedom of choice on a product they paid for. That's what jailbreaking was/is all about and the various App Store alternatives. It also shows a lack of understanding on the EU's position in regards to fair business practices, where Apple snuffs out any competition. Apple is not suppressing competition out of the kindness of their hearts, they did so to maximize profits off of their captive user base. If you want to follow Apple's future suggested practices, then you will still be able to, it just won't be forcibly imposed on all users.
jerojero 4y ago
There might be some apps and hardware that are desirable on the iPhone and some apps that are desirable on an android phone. For example, I might want to use iMessage without any of the restrictions that you get on other non apple devices. This is huge, my friends all have iPhones and use iMessage. I don't want a neutered experience. What happens to family that rely on these tools, mom's that are looking into buying their child's first phone? This is how people become trapped in these ecosystems. The camera on iPhones is really good, apps like Snapchat or Instagram have always functioned way better on iPhone than on android. There are many reasons why someone would want to use a lot of apps developed for the iPhone. But they might also have extra needs. Personally, I do have an android phone, and besides the apps that I've installed through the playstore I have lots of alternative apps from the f droid. They're great. I have wanted to try the iPhone because I know my mainstream apps would work better in the iPhone. But alas, there are too many restrictions. Why would having more choice be a bad thing?

martin8412 4y ago

And this law is taking away my preference. I WANT to pay through Apple, because they make it easy. Subscriptions through Apple are super easy to cancel. That will for certain be gone, because now they get away with all their shady schemes that make it close to impossible to cancel. I want to pay with Apple Pay, because it is rock solid. I don't want to be forced into the banks half-baked crap app.