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This isn't just a Mac/iOS community problem, as evidenced by a post like this popping up every week or two. It's a programming/hacker community problem.

rb2k_ 15y ago
I'm not 100% sure, but I think that this kind of stuff also happens in most other communities? At least I've met a few people in the banking community that had their fair amount of crude jokes.
- cooldeal 15y ago
  > At least I've met a few people in the banking community that had their fair amount of crude jokes. Sure, but how many banking conferences do you see jokes as crass as the ones that were mentioned here? No one is getting hot and bothered here how people talk privately or to their buddies.
- ender7 15y ago
  No offense to the banking...actually, you know what, fuck those guys. I'm sure there are a lot of nice people working there (I have two friends who do so), but the average level of juvenile bro-tude and that passes for normal behavior among young ibankers is embarrassing. We are better than that.
  - eropple 15y ago
    Apparently we're not. But we should be.
- JonnieCache 15y ago
  If we're holding investment bankers up as our moral benchmark, then we're screwed. Not that ibankers are necessarily the worst of the worst, they obviously aren't, but c'mon people, aim high?
- jonhendry 15y ago
  I'm pretty sure banking, as a whole (not just hot-shot traders), has a higher proportion of women than programming does. When I was at First Chicago working on a fed funds trading system, there were plenty of women around, in tech-related positions, including my boss. The proportion of women is even higher in retail consumer-facing banking. Some traders are certainly gross, especially on Wall St, but that isn't true across the industry.
- michaelchisari 15y ago
  I have a good friend who is a medical anthropologist. She attends both medical conferences, and anthropology conferences. And no, this stuff doesn't not happen there. The only places I can see this as being acceptable is in places which were a) male dominated/homogenous, and/or b) lacking in professionalism. So I can understand this happening at banking conferences because of (a), and unfortunately, hacker scenes have a problem with both (a) and (b), but I would strongly disagree that this happens in most other communities.
- halfsoldier 15y ago
  "I'm not 100% sure, but I think that this kind of stuff also happens in most other communities?" Pretty much. I've seen the same debate in other circles I'm involved in- anime/manga nerds, film geeks, atheists, sports etc etc. There's nothing special here but nonetheless we should act if there is a problem regardless of the community.

rb2k_ 15y ago

I'm not 100% sure, but I think that this kind of stuff also happens in most other communities? At least I've met a few people in the banking community that had their fair amount of crude jokes.

cooldeal 15y ago
> At least I've met a few people in the banking community that had their fair amount of crude jokes. Sure, but how many banking conferences do you see jokes as crass as the ones that were mentioned here? No one is getting hot and bothered here how people talk privately or to their buddies.
ender7 15y ago
No offense to the banking...actually, you know what, fuck those guys. I'm sure there are a lot of nice people working there (I have two friends who do so), but the average level of juvenile bro-tude and that passes for normal behavior among young ibankers is embarrassing. We are better than that.
- eropple 15y ago
  Apparently we're not. But we should be.
JonnieCache 15y ago
If we're holding investment bankers up as our moral benchmark, then we're screwed. Not that ibankers are necessarily the worst of the worst, they obviously aren't, but c'mon people, aim high?
jonhendry 15y ago
I'm pretty sure banking, as a whole (not just hot-shot traders), has a higher proportion of women than programming does. When I was at First Chicago working on a fed funds trading system, there were plenty of women around, in tech-related positions, including my boss. The proportion of women is even higher in retail consumer-facing banking. Some traders are certainly gross, especially on Wall St, but that isn't true across the industry.
michaelchisari 15y ago
I have a good friend who is a medical anthropologist. She attends both medical conferences, and anthropology conferences. And no, this stuff doesn't not happen there. The only places I can see this as being acceptable is in places which were a) male dominated/homogenous, and/or b) lacking in professionalism. So I can understand this happening at banking conferences because of (a), and unfortunately, hacker scenes have a problem with both (a) and (b), but I would strongly disagree that this happens in most other communities.
halfsoldier 15y ago
"I'm not 100% sure, but I think that this kind of stuff also happens in most other communities?" Pretty much. I've seen the same debate in other circles I'm involved in- anime/manga nerds, film geeks, atheists, sports etc etc. There's nothing special here but nonetheless we should act if there is a problem regardless of the community.