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Can you name a few who will pay a Senior Software Engineer the same salary in Bay Area vs say Bangalore, India ? I am curious.

wwarek 4y ago
Just a few months ago this[0] jobs platform for exactly that - remote, location-independent salary - was discussed on HN [1]. [0] https://remotewide.co/ https://remotewide.co/ [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31225138 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31225138
- deleted 4y ago
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- codegeek 4y ago
  Ok I will bite. I randomly checked one company called "MotorK" [0] and I found this line in the job description "Work remotely from any of the countries we operate in". So thats not work from anywhere in the world. I am sure devil is always in the details. I know this is 1 example but I doubt a company will hire from anywhere in the world and pay the same salaries to you. There always will be restrictions. Ok now I am more curious. I looked at another company "Expensify" [1]. They actually want you to ideally relocate to one of their office locations :). So again, not fully remote anywhere in the world. I think employers say it casually but in practice, it is extremely difficult. Why would I pay the same salary to a good developer in NYC vs India/Thailand. If that's the case, why would I hire from a totally different timezone and not to mention add legal, HR and compliance issues. [0] https://remotewide.co/listings/6IBsLC9CWYb4sO8h8xAT https://remotewide.co/listings/6IBsLC9CWYb4sO8h8xAT [1] https://remotewide.co/listings/ncCWVkYCZx0dhK0m5Z8v https://remotewide.co/listings/ncCWVkYCZx0dhK0m5Z8v
  - throwmisinfo388 4y ago
    Maybe Fly? Not sure. https://fly.io/about https://fly.io/about
  - yencabulator 4y ago
    > and I found this line in the job description "Work remotely from any of the countries we operate in". Outside of contracting and business-to-business deals, I think we're still in a world where it's hard to legally employ people in countries where you don't have a legal presence (outside of cases where that has been explicitly agreed-upon, like EU). Something as basic as tax withholding can be literally impossible without creating a subsidiary in that country. Looking at remotewide.co, they don't say anything about having to accept applicants from all over the world. That is, think SF vs Idaho, not SF vs Siberia.
    - robertlagrant 4y ago
      Pay remote.com $500/mo per employee in a country you don't have a presence in and you're done.
  - flicken 4y ago
    > Ok now I am more curious. I looked at another company "Expensify" [1]. They actually want you to ideally relocate to one of their office locations :). So again, not fully remote anywhere in the world. I think employers say it casually but in practice, it is extremely difficult. Out of curiosity, what makes you think Expensify wants you to relocate? Relocation was not required or suggested when I interviewed with them last year. Their current job ad shows that they support working from anywhere: "Our employees work from all over the world" and "we spend a month abroad working from a remote location as a team". I hypothesize that the part about visa sponsorship / relocation assistance might give the wrong impression: > if you're looking for a change of scene we offer visa sponsorship and relocation assistance to join us at one of our rad locations...
    - JulesRosser 4y ago
      Thanks for sharing this. That's correct, we are 100% remote first and you are not required to move to a city where we have offices. It's an optional perk.
  - JulesRosser 4y ago
    I agree some companies don't really mean it when they claim to be remote first, but at Expensify we truly are. Please apply if you like the sound of our open roles :) https://we.are.expensify.com/#workwithus https://we.are.expensify.com/#workwithus
    - nonameiguess 4y ago
      So how many developers do you actually hire out of Thailand? The prime minister of Thailand earns 3804 USD per year. If you seriously hire them at $380k, that's 100 times what the leader of their country earns. The US equivalent would be $40 million a year. Seemingly, every even remotely qualified person in the country would be rushing to apply. No need to immigrate and go through the Visa process? Earn enough money to buy your entire hometown within a few years? Surely, there has to be some sufficiently motivated and intelligent person born in Thailand who is able to do the work you require. Have you hired any of them?
      - JulesRosser 4y ago
        I only see one recent applicant from Thailand, but we welcome applications regardless of where they live (with a few obvious exceptions). I don’t want to dox any colleagues by listing individual countries as we’re a relatively small company, but we have hired from 6/7 continents in the last 12 months (all except Antarctica). Also happy to answer any other questions you have. And again, if anyone reading this is interested, please take a look at our open roles [0]. This is one of many, many things which makes the company great [1]. [0] https://we.are.expensify.com/#workwithus https://we.are.expensify.com/#workwithus [1] https://we.are.expensify.com/benefits-perks https://we.are.expensify.com/benefits-perks
        codegeek 4y ago
        What percentage of your employees are Asian who work from Asia and what are their average salaries ?
AmericanChopper 4y ago
If you want to get the same pay for remote work no matter where you are, just become a contractor.
sprkwd 4y ago
37 Signals. https://37signals.com/19 https://37signals.com/19
- fooster 4y ago
  Last I checked they only hired in the US
  - flicken 4y ago
    37signals hires outside the US, see their HN ad from June, 2022[1]: > The salary for candidates matched as Programmer is $165,410. The salary for candidates matched as Senior Programmer is $197,819. Irrespective of where in the world you live. 1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31583175 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31583175
tenarshins 4y ago
We're US only, but our salaries are flat across the US. Same salary in the Bay area and say, Moscow, Idaho.
- BeetleB 4y ago
  Company?
mxstbr 4y ago
We do at Stellate: https://stellate.co/blog/one-job-one-pay https://stellate.co/blog/one-job-one-pay
- jrockway 4y ago
  Do you guys share the distribution of title by location? Maybe Engineer 2 gets paid the same everywhere, but maybe San Francisco is all Engineer 10s and India is all Engineer 1s.
JulesRosser 4y ago
We do at Expensify. A good % of our team works fully remote: https://we.are.expensify.com/benefits-perks https://we.are.expensify.com/benefits-perks Also, check out remotewide.co for a list of remote companies with location independent pay. I think this is exactly what you're looking for.
BerislavLopac 4y ago
https://primer.io https://primer.io

wwarek 4y ago

Just a few months ago this[0] jobs platform for exactly that - remote, location-independent salary - was discussed on HN [1]. [0] https://remotewide.co/ https://remotewide.co/ [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31225138 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31225138

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codegeek 4y ago
Ok I will bite. I randomly checked one company called "MotorK" [0] and I found this line in the job description "Work remotely from any of the countries we operate in". So thats not work from anywhere in the world. I am sure devil is always in the details. I know this is 1 example but I doubt a company will hire from anywhere in the world and pay the same salaries to you. There always will be restrictions. Ok now I am more curious. I looked at another company "Expensify" [1]. They actually want you to ideally relocate to one of their office locations :). So again, not fully remote anywhere in the world. I think employers say it casually but in practice, it is extremely difficult. Why would I pay the same salary to a good developer in NYC vs India/Thailand. If that's the case, why would I hire from a totally different timezone and not to mention add legal, HR and compliance issues. [0] https://remotewide.co/listings/6IBsLC9CWYb4sO8h8xAT https://remotewide.co/listings/6IBsLC9CWYb4sO8h8xAT [1] https://remotewide.co/listings/ncCWVkYCZx0dhK0m5Z8v https://remotewide.co/listings/ncCWVkYCZx0dhK0m5Z8v
- throwmisinfo388 4y ago
  Maybe Fly? Not sure. https://fly.io/about https://fly.io/about
- yencabulator 4y ago
  > and I found this line in the job description "Work remotely from any of the countries we operate in". Outside of contracting and business-to-business deals, I think we're still in a world where it's hard to legally employ people in countries where you don't have a legal presence (outside of cases where that has been explicitly agreed-upon, like EU). Something as basic as tax withholding can be literally impossible without creating a subsidiary in that country. Looking at remotewide.co, they don't say anything about having to accept applicants from all over the world. That is, think SF vs Idaho, not SF vs Siberia.
  - robertlagrant 4y ago
    Pay remote.com $500/mo per employee in a country you don't have a presence in and you're done.
- flicken 4y ago
  > Ok now I am more curious. I looked at another company "Expensify" [1]. They actually want you to ideally relocate to one of their office locations :). So again, not fully remote anywhere in the world. I think employers say it casually but in practice, it is extremely difficult. Out of curiosity, what makes you think Expensify wants you to relocate? Relocation was not required or suggested when I interviewed with them last year. Their current job ad shows that they support working from anywhere: "Our employees work from all over the world" and "we spend a month abroad working from a remote location as a team". I hypothesize that the part about visa sponsorship / relocation assistance might give the wrong impression: > if you're looking for a change of scene we offer visa sponsorship and relocation assistance to join us at one of our rad locations...
  - JulesRosser 4y ago
    Thanks for sharing this. That's correct, we are 100% remote first and you are not required to move to a city where we have offices. It's an optional perk.
- JulesRosser 4y ago
  I agree some companies don't really mean it when they claim to be remote first, but at Expensify we truly are. Please apply if you like the sound of our open roles :) https://we.are.expensify.com/#workwithus https://we.are.expensify.com/#workwithus
  - nonameiguess 4y ago
    So how many developers do you actually hire out of Thailand? The prime minister of Thailand earns 3804 USD per year. If you seriously hire them at $380k, that's 100 times what the leader of their country earns. The US equivalent would be $40 million a year. Seemingly, every even remotely qualified person in the country would be rushing to apply. No need to immigrate and go through the Visa process? Earn enough money to buy your entire hometown within a few years? Surely, there has to be some sufficiently motivated and intelligent person born in Thailand who is able to do the work you require. Have you hired any of them?
    - JulesRosser 4y ago
      I only see one recent applicant from Thailand, but we welcome applications regardless of where they live (with a few obvious exceptions). I don’t want to dox any colleagues by listing individual countries as we’re a relatively small company, but we have hired from 6/7 continents in the last 12 months (all except Antarctica). Also happy to answer any other questions you have. And again, if anyone reading this is interested, please take a look at our open roles [0]. This is one of many, many things which makes the company great [1]. [0] https://we.are.expensify.com/#workwithus https://we.are.expensify.com/#workwithus [1] https://we.are.expensify.com/benefits-perks https://we.are.expensify.com/benefits-perks
      - codegeek 4y ago
        What percentage of your employees are Asian who work from Asia and what are their average salaries ?

AmericanChopper 4y ago

If you want to get the same pay for remote work no matter where you are, just become a contractor.

sprkwd 4y ago

37 Signals. https://37signals.com/19 https://37signals.com/19

fooster 4y ago
Last I checked they only hired in the US
- flicken 4y ago
  37signals hires outside the US, see their HN ad from June, 2022[1]: > The salary for candidates matched as Programmer is $165,410. The salary for candidates matched as Senior Programmer is $197,819. Irrespective of where in the world you live. 1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31583175 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31583175

tenarshins 4y ago

We're US only, but our salaries are flat across the US. Same salary in the Bay area and say, Moscow, Idaho.

BeetleB 4y ago
Company?

mxstbr 4y ago

We do at Stellate: https://stellate.co/blog/one-job-one-pay https://stellate.co/blog/one-job-one-pay

jrockway 4y ago
Do you guys share the distribution of title by location? Maybe Engineer 2 gets paid the same everywhere, but maybe San Francisco is all Engineer 10s and India is all Engineer 1s.

JulesRosser 4y ago

We do at Expensify. A good % of our team works fully remote: https://we.are.expensify.com/benefits-perks https://we.are.expensify.com/benefits-perks Also, check out remotewide.co for a list of remote companies with location independent pay. I think this is exactly what you're looking for.

BerislavLopac 4y ago

https://primer.io https://primer.io