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Strange, this isn't an issue on Android.

nuker 4y ago
Not strange, Google is an Advertising company, unlike Apple. Facebook likes Google.
EUROCARE 4y ago
This actually is an issue on Android. There's the Samsung store for example, where I have to create yet another account just to get my internal phone apps updated. Same shit with Xiaomi and Huawei.
- Apocryphon 4y ago
  True, but that's caused by OEMs packaging bloatware, which would not be a concern with iOS.
  - EUROCARE 4y ago
    I mean apps like Camera, Calculator, Contacts... Not bloatware. They are much better than the AOSP defaults (on Samsung). I don't see how it's so different. App vendor is forcing me to use an alternative app store that I don't want to use, don't trust and don't want to share my data with - the same thing. I think Apple should be forced to allow sideloading, but forcing them to allow alternative appstores to integrate into the OS seems like a road to security/privacy and UX hell to me. I always saw single App Store as the better thing - finally someone learned from the Linux Desktop lessons.
    - Apocryphon 4y ago
      Fair. That does suck that these OEMs gate essential apps like that. I didn't know that those are actually ever preferable to AOSP or Play Store equivalents. But again, hard to see how this situation could apply to iOS, regulators aren't going to force Apple to license it out to other phone manufacturers.
      - nuker 4y ago
        It will be AdTech giants instead, Google, Facebook, Adobe that will go that way. To avoid Apple store privacy rules for apps.
        Apocryphon 4y ago
        Again, I don't believe they are capable from a business/product perspective of luring customers into their stores. And if they try to force customers, they will have to deal with both angry users and regulators. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32172314 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32172314 This whole scenario assumes that AdTech has unlimited power, that Apple has none, and that the courts are blind to their malfeasance. Finally, Adobe isn't even an ad company. They literally sell software!
        EUROCARE 4y ago
        Eh, so regulators explicitly force a platform to open up, and then they will go after people making use of that just in spirit of the law? That seems super weird to me, much weirder than the opposite - that MS/FB/Google stores are being planned right now during the celebration party thrown because of this regulation.
        Apocryphon 4y ago
        I don't think regulators will allow Facebook to take crucial apps like WhatsApp away from the main App Store. That seems like an act of monopolistic power and overreach as well. We're not talking about a simple Contacts app here, of which there are innumerable alternatives on the main store. And even if they did allow it, they would immediately probe Meta's third party app store, because are already concerned with privacy violations and data collection. > MS/FB/Google stores are being planned right now during the celebration party thrown because of this regulation. I hope they are getting their PR team ready too with mea culpas once a vengeful public backlashes against third party exclusivity.
        4y ago
  - xdennis 4y ago
    > True, but that's caused by OEMs packaging bloatware, which would not be a concern with iOS. Not only that, but this act requires the ability to uninstall bloatware.

Not strange, Google is an Advertising company, unlike Apple. Facebook likes Google.

This actually is an issue on Android. There's the Samsung store for example, where I have to create yet another account just to get my internal phone apps updated. Same shit with Xiaomi and Huawei.

Apocryphon 4y ago
True, but that's caused by OEMs packaging bloatware, which would not be a concern with iOS.
- EUROCARE 4y ago
  I mean apps like Camera, Calculator, Contacts... Not bloatware. They are much better than the AOSP defaults (on Samsung). I don't see how it's so different. App vendor is forcing me to use an alternative app store that I don't want to use, don't trust and don't want to share my data with - the same thing. I think Apple should be forced to allow sideloading, but forcing them to allow alternative appstores to integrate into the OS seems like a road to security/privacy and UX hell to me. I always saw single App Store as the better thing - finally someone learned from the Linux Desktop lessons.
  - Apocryphon 4y ago
    Fair. That does suck that these OEMs gate essential apps like that. I didn't know that those are actually ever preferable to AOSP or Play Store equivalents. But again, hard to see how this situation could apply to iOS, regulators aren't going to force Apple to license it out to other phone manufacturers.
    - nuker 4y ago
      It will be AdTech giants instead, Google, Facebook, Adobe that will go that way. To avoid Apple store privacy rules for apps.
      - Apocryphon 4y ago
        Again, I don't believe they are capable from a business/product perspective of luring customers into their stores. And if they try to force customers, they will have to deal with both angry users and regulators. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32172314 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32172314 This whole scenario assumes that AdTech has unlimited power, that Apple has none, and that the courts are blind to their malfeasance. Finally, Adobe isn't even an ad company. They literally sell software!
        EUROCARE 4y ago
        Eh, so regulators explicitly force a platform to open up, and then they will go after people making use of that just in spirit of the law? That seems super weird to me, much weirder than the opposite - that MS/FB/Google stores are being planned right now during the celebration party thrown because of this regulation.
        Apocryphon 4y ago
        I don't think regulators will allow Facebook to take crucial apps like WhatsApp away from the main App Store. That seems like an act of monopolistic power and overreach as well. We're not talking about a simple Contacts app here, of which there are innumerable alternatives on the main store. And even if they did allow it, they would immediately probe Meta's third party app store, because are already concerned with privacy violations and data collection. > MS/FB/Google stores are being planned right now during the celebration party thrown because of this regulation. I hope they are getting their PR team ready too with mea culpas once a vengeful public backlashes against third party exclusivity.
        4y ago
- xdennis 4y ago
  > True, but that's caused by OEMs packaging bloatware, which would not be a concern with iOS. Not only that, but this act requires the ability to uninstall bloatware.