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> They can stay in Apple ecosystem Nope, Adobe will make sure all its apps require Adobe App Store. Same for Facebook with Whatsapp. No more stupid Apple store

by nuker 4y ago

> They can stay in Apple ecosystem Nope, Adobe will make sure all its apps require Adobe App Store. Same for Facebook with Whatsapp. No more stupid Apple store restrictions, yay!!

woojoo666 4y ago
There's already a counterexample to this: Android. All Adobe apps are on the Play Store
- nuker 4y ago
  Check recent story about IDFA on iOS and Facebook gone mad about it. No such story with Android.
  - woojoo666 4y ago
    Are you imply that if Android got rid of advertising IDs like iOS, then Facebook would take their app off the play store? Not so sure about that
    - nuker 4y ago
      They lost and keep losing serious money.
      - justapassenger 4y ago
        They’ll loose waaaay more money by removing their app from Apple App Store, even if they have their own. People really don’t like extra friction. That’s why you see so much fight about getting stuff preinstalled. Perfect example is iMessage - it’s years away other messengers, but it’s good snuff and it’s default so it dominates USA market.
deadbunny 4y ago
Strange, this isn't an issue on Android.
- nuker 4y ago
  Not strange, Google is an Advertising company, unlike Apple. Facebook likes Google.
- EUROCARE 4y ago
  This actually is an issue on Android. There's the Samsung store for example, where I have to create yet another account just to get my internal phone apps updated. Same shit with Xiaomi and Huawei.
  - Apocryphon 4y ago
    True, but that's caused by OEMs packaging bloatware, which would not be a concern with iOS.
    - EUROCARE 4y ago
      I mean apps like Camera, Calculator, Contacts... Not bloatware. They are much better than the AOSP defaults (on Samsung). I don't see how it's so different. App vendor is forcing me to use an alternative app store that I don't want to use, don't trust and don't want to share my data with - the same thing. I think Apple should be forced to allow sideloading, but forcing them to allow alternative appstores to integrate into the OS seems like a road to security/privacy and UX hell to me. I always saw single App Store as the better thing - finally someone learned from the Linux Desktop lessons.
      - Apocryphon 4y ago
        Fair. That does suck that these OEMs gate essential apps like that. I didn't know that those are actually ever preferable to AOSP or Play Store equivalents. But again, hard to see how this situation could apply to iOS, regulators aren't going to force Apple to license it out to other phone manufacturers.
justapassenger 4y ago
Would they? If 90% of users stay on apple App Store, they won’t. It’s all about value they can provide, both sides.
- FridgeSeal 4y ago
  Lots of people just care about getting stuff done, amd don’t care about these kinds of arguments. So if having to click yes on a pop up to get the fb/adobe store is what they need to do, to do what they want, they’ll just do it. We’ll basically lose a whole stack of the guarantees about data, app operation that Apple was able to enforce on hostile, belligerent companies like fb because of their position.
  - justapassenger 4y ago
    I still cannot get my head around that people on the site called “hacker news” are advocating for closed systems controlled by trillion dollars companies being good. I trust Apple to design their operating system to be secure, without having to lock me in. And isn’t Facebook dead and not used by anyone?
    - drexlspivey 4y ago
      Yes Facebook is dead, only 2 BILLION daily active users
  - californical 4y ago
    They can still have strict privacy permission controls at the OS level, regardless of where an app is installed from. They’ll just also have to give the same controls over their own software.
    - nuker 4y ago
      Not really. Let's say Facebook asked for location permission and the user says No. Today the app will be forced to work without it. By Apple Store rules. Tomorrow the app will say "this permission is required for app to work".
emkoemko 4y ago
so on android they have to install adobe app store? and Facebook store?
xdennis 4y ago
> Adobe will make sure all its apps require Adobe App Store It seems like your defense of Apple is that other companies will be able to act like Apple. I'd rather have multiple small masters which compete with each other than a single all powerful master.
- dodobirdlord 4y ago
  Well, I wouldn’t, and people who wanted the former could already go buy an Android phone. Why does the iPhone need to be the same?
spacexsucks 4y ago
Thats hasnt happened on android.
tidenly 4y ago
Wouldn't the reasonable outcome here be that Apple will make their app store rules less authoritarian so that Adobe wouldn't want to leave the app store? The market for app stores would mean apple would have to actually adjust to complete. Isn't that the market competition most people claim to love?

by nuker 4y ago

> They can stay in Apple ecosystem Nope, Adobe will make sure all its apps require Adobe App Store. Same for Facebook with Whatsapp. No more stupid Apple store restrictions, yay!!

woojoo666 4y ago

There's already a counterexample to this: Android. All Adobe apps are on the Play Store

nuker 4y ago
Check recent story about IDFA on iOS and Facebook gone mad about it. No such story with Android.
- woojoo666 4y ago
  Are you imply that if Android got rid of advertising IDs like iOS, then Facebook would take their app off the play store? Not so sure about that
  - nuker 4y ago
    They lost and keep losing serious money.
    - justapassenger 4y ago
      They’ll loose waaaay more money by removing their app from Apple App Store, even if they have their own. People really don’t like extra friction. That’s why you see so much fight about getting stuff preinstalled. Perfect example is iMessage - it’s years away other messengers, but it’s good snuff and it’s default so it dominates USA market.

deadbunny 4y ago

Strange, this isn't an issue on Android.

nuker 4y ago
Not strange, Google is an Advertising company, unlike Apple. Facebook likes Google.
EUROCARE 4y ago
This actually is an issue on Android. There's the Samsung store for example, where I have to create yet another account just to get my internal phone apps updated. Same shit with Xiaomi and Huawei.
- Apocryphon 4y ago
  True, but that's caused by OEMs packaging bloatware, which would not be a concern with iOS.
  - EUROCARE 4y ago
    I mean apps like Camera, Calculator, Contacts... Not bloatware. They are much better than the AOSP defaults (on Samsung). I don't see how it's so different. App vendor is forcing me to use an alternative app store that I don't want to use, don't trust and don't want to share my data with - the same thing. I think Apple should be forced to allow sideloading, but forcing them to allow alternative appstores to integrate into the OS seems like a road to security/privacy and UX hell to me. I always saw single App Store as the better thing - finally someone learned from the Linux Desktop lessons.
    - Apocryphon 4y ago
      Fair. That does suck that these OEMs gate essential apps like that. I didn't know that those are actually ever preferable to AOSP or Play Store equivalents. But again, hard to see how this situation could apply to iOS, regulators aren't going to force Apple to license it out to other phone manufacturers.

justapassenger 4y ago

Would they? If 90% of users stay on apple App Store, they won’t. It’s all about value they can provide, both sides.

FridgeSeal 4y ago
Lots of people just care about getting stuff done, amd don’t care about these kinds of arguments. So if having to click yes on a pop up to get the fb/adobe store is what they need to do, to do what they want, they’ll just do it. We’ll basically lose a whole stack of the guarantees about data, app operation that Apple was able to enforce on hostile, belligerent companies like fb because of their position.
- justapassenger 4y ago
  I still cannot get my head around that people on the site called “hacker news” are advocating for closed systems controlled by trillion dollars companies being good. I trust Apple to design their operating system to be secure, without having to lock me in. And isn’t Facebook dead and not used by anyone?
  - drexlspivey 4y ago
    Yes Facebook is dead, only 2 BILLION daily active users
- californical 4y ago
  They can still have strict privacy permission controls at the OS level, regardless of where an app is installed from. They’ll just also have to give the same controls over their own software.
  - nuker 4y ago
    Not really. Let's say Facebook asked for location permission and the user says No. Today the app will be forced to work without it. By Apple Store rules. Tomorrow the app will say "this permission is required for app to work".

emkoemko 4y ago

so on android they have to install adobe app store? and Facebook store?

xdennis 4y ago

> Adobe will make sure all its apps require Adobe App Store It seems like your defense of Apple is that other companies will be able to act like Apple. I'd rather have multiple small masters which compete with each other than a single all powerful master.

dodobirdlord 4y ago
Well, I wouldn’t, and people who wanted the former could already go buy an Android phone. Why does the iPhone need to be the same?

spacexsucks 4y ago

Thats hasnt happened on android.

tidenly 4y ago

Wouldn't the reasonable outcome here be that Apple will make their app store rules less authoritarian so that Adobe wouldn't want to leave the app store? The market for app stores would mean apple would have to actually adjust to complete. Isn't that the market competition most people claim to love?