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I think six months is a pretty unreasonable time frame for Apple. While the security concerns around this sort of thing are often overblown, Apple will need to
by slaymaker1907 4y ago
I think six months is a pretty unreasonable time frame for Apple. While the security concerns around this sort of thing are often overblown, Apple will need to rework their security model for the iPhone. If there is an API surface between the OS and the App Store, they may need to rework it since it's not been designed with third party stores in mind.
- withinboredom 4y agoThe writing has been on the wall for years. Sounds like a problem of their own creation.
- zo1 4y agoI think they assumed, like the rest of us to a degree, that "it will never happen". If this kind of "ffs, just effing solve it with a law already" kind of law comes through, I'm seriously considering moving to an EU country.
- drawfloat 4y agoThe noises out of government have been that this will happen for a few years now, at least from the perspective of an EU citizen. They should have been preparing.
- withinboredom 4y agoThat’s why I moved here five years ago from the US. It’s actually pretty easy, depending on where you go.
- bzxcvbn 4y agoThere is no "if this comes through". The law was adopted, all that's left is a formal step (getting the law signed) and then a standard waiting period (six months to allow companies to adapt).
- wmf 4y agoGDPR came out years ago and almost no one is compliant today.
- bzxcvbn 4y agoWhere are you getting your data from?
- permo-w 4y agonot the commenter, but I would imagine they're referring to the stipulation in GDPR that it must be as easy to decline marketing cookies as it is to accept them, which the overwhelming majority of websites don't abide by
- bzxcvbn 4y agoOkay, so no data. Just speculation.
- permo-w 4y agoif you've been on any websites in the EU (or a country with similar DP laws) recently, you'll know this without even thinking but here you are anyway: https://noyb.eu/en/noyb-aims-end-cookie-banner-terror-and-issues-more-500-gdpr-complaints https://noyb.eu/en/noyb-aims-end-cookie-banner-terror-and-is... https://noyb.eu/sites/default/files/2022-07/ANNUAL%20REPORT%202021%2014072022.pdf https://noyb.eu/sites/default/files/2022-07/ANNUAL%20REPORT%... if you still don't believe me, try and use google maps, or youtube in incognito mode
- drawfloat 4y agoThat's just not true, it's a going concern for anyone working on online projects in Europe. It's come up for me personally in discussions with every client on every project for the last 4 years now. We're even at the point where major companies are being fined for misteps: https://techcrunch.com/2022/03/15/facebook-2018-breaches-dpc-decision/ https://techcrunch.com/2022/03/15/facebook-2018-breaches-dpc...
- mortenjorck 4y agoThe funny thing is, Apple originally had plans for sideloading all the way back in 2008. An email that came out from the Apple vs. Epic trial last year had none other than Steve Jobs signing off on UI copy for installing apps from outside the App Store! [1] Obviously, those plans were shelved when they changed strategy for iOS to walled-garden, but it's surprising how in the course of fourteen years the issue went from product roadmap to cultural anathema at Apple. [1] https://www.theverge.com/c/22611236/epic-v-apple-emails-project-liberty-app-store-schiller-sweeney-cook-jobs https://www.theverge.com/c/22611236/epic-v-apple-emails-proj...
- metadat 4y agoWhat timeline do you think the Gatekeepeers would prefer? Is it a reasonable goal to let BigTech drag it's feet making these changes they didn't want to do on their own accord in the first place? Amazing things are possible when the incentive is right. Given their VAST resources, it's only a matter of focus.
- dntrkv 4y agoI don't know how anyone would think that timeline is in any way possible. Not gonna happen.
- metadat 4y agoThen let the motivational fines begin and see if that helps get things moving.
- dodobirdlord 4y agoMandating things that are impossible and then fining companies for failing to achieve them is just a silly and roundabout way to impose a tax, and if the EU just wants to tax a bunch of tech companies they should do so directly instead of this absurd charade.
- permo-w 4y agoclearly that's not what they want. they want less anti-competitive practices and they want them quickly. a massive fine that brings in some public money and punishes them for past actions is a nice upside
- dgb23 4y agoDo people really think this is impossible? We're talking about Apple here.
- colinmhayes 4y agoHonestly I think the timeline is a punishment for forcing the governments hand by never doing any of these things themselves.
- jerryzh 4y agoto be fair they have been warned for years
- cmckn 4y agoI don't think it's realistic. One example: > Make core messaging functionality interoperable. They lay out concrete examples like file transfer Google, Apple, and Amazon are supposed to design, ratify, implement and ship a universal messaging standard in 6 months? This won't happen even if they skip the first two steps and use an existing standard. Apple ships a new iOS version in September, when this timer is supposed to start. Are they supposed to upend their entire release cycle and ship these major changes to their OS by March? I've used iPhones for years, and I'm totally down with these bullet points. But I think we can all chuckle at the timeline, given the scope of this.
- yardstick 4y ago> Google, Apple, and Amazon are supposed to design, ratify, implement and ship a universal messaging standard in 6 months? If they all agree that email or sms is the common messaging standard, is that problem solved?
- bagacrap 4y agosms is already interoperable... does this law say they have to remove iMessage to make all messaging lowest common denominator?
- oaiey 4y agoThey will negotiate a proper time frame. It will take years till we see the benefits. The EU will charge them a smaller fine and give them some time with that. Not their first rodeo on both sides.
- unity1001 4y ago'Negotiate'? No no my good man. That kind of thing gets easily abused by US corporations and they don't work elsewhere: When Eu put out the 'browser ballot box' requirement for OSes, Microsoft said that it was technically very complicated, near impossible to implement it. Then the Eu started fining Microsoft ~700,000 Euros a week or something. Microsoft magically made the ballot box happen within a week.