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A full-blown civil war, circa 1800s? Probably not, although a growing number of fascist types are fantasizing about it and planning for it. More frequent and e

A full-blown civil war, circa 1800s? Probably not, although a growing number of fascist types are fantasizing about it and planning for it. More frequent and extreme episodes of violent civil unrest? Yes. I think it's going to get worse. https://www.washingtonpost.com/magazine/2022/03/08/they-are-preparing-war-an-expert-civil-wars-discusses-where-political-extremists-are-taking-this-country/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/magazine/2022/03/08/they-are-...

buscoquadnary 4y ago
See that's an important thing people don't realize about a new civil war. In the civil war you had various clearly defined government apparatuses that chose to withdraw themselves from the union to form a new nation state. This time however it isn't a certain group of geographic area it is divided along urban vs rural lines. If a "civil war" were to come again it is much more likely that we'll see something more along the line of the "The Troubles" that happened in Northern Ireland than anything approximating what happened in the 1860s.
- AnimalMuppet 4y ago
  If it goes down as urban vs rural, it is likely to involve food as a weapon.
- kfarr 4y ago
  I think you're right, and I'd go one step further to suggest that it's already happening. The path to radicalization for young American males is well known and straightforward and already delivers stochastic terrorism (not isolated events) on behalf of specific interests.
- notacoward 4y ago
  Agreed that the ~1860 civil war is not a likely scenario. Here are some other possible scenarios from US history. https://www.history.com/topics/early-us/shays-rebellion https://www.history.com/topics/early-us/shays-rebellion https://www.history.com/topics/early-us/whiskey-rebellion https://www.history.com/topics/early-us/whiskey-rebellion Were those civil wars? Or did they fall short? There's no simple, clear line. What we can almost certainly expect is terrorism, civil unrest, and moves toward legal autonomy short of actual secession. It will probably be a decade or so before we can tell whether those things (plus the reactions to them) are leading to an actual civil war.
- foolinaround 4y ago
  the ideological split seems to pit people in urban vs suburban & rural areas.
- deleted 4y ago
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- _8j50 4y ago
  It will be more like Yugoslavia. It will start as you said but full on war between states will be inevitable aftee that
bsagdiyev 4y ago
I hate to "be that guy" but this ends up being a both sides issue. There was a notice sent around to some churches after the RvW appeal to be vigilant since they had received some info on people possibly acting violently towards churches since they blamed them for it. (Edit to add: Please see https://janesrevenge.noblogs.org/2022/06/26/janes-revenge-night-of-rage-communique/ https://janesrevenge.noblogs.org/2022/06/26/janes-revenge-ni... -- these are pointedly anti-fascists, the opposite of the right. So this is a both sides issue.) Americans just don't seem to want to get along and understand on any side of the aisle. I can't talk politics to my family since they're all charged on their views and if I differ we just argue.
- trasz 4y ago
  >people possibly acting violently towards churches since they blamed them for it. Why, I wonder. /s
  - bsagdiyev 4y ago
    Justify it however you like. Violence just makes people go against you and is wrong, full stop.
    - trasz 4y ago
      Except that in this case the "violence" is actually defence. It's the Church that's the source of birther's fringe ideas, which led to laws that violate fundamental human rights.
    - corrral 4y ago
      > Violence just makes people go against you and is wrong, full stop. That's... quite a bold assertion.
- watwut 4y ago
  Yeah no. The political and especially terrorist acts are not two side issues, they in fact flow from right much more. It is just that right always gets benefit of doubt. But also, overturn of RoW is long term work of evangelicals.
stjohnswarts 4y ago
I think there will be civil unrest until the MAGA movement dies off as their demagogue diminishes over time.

buscoquadnary 4y ago

See that's an important thing people don't realize about a new civil war. In the civil war you had various clearly defined government apparatuses that chose to withdraw themselves from the union to form a new nation state. This time however it isn't a certain group of geographic area it is divided along urban vs rural lines. If a "civil war" were to come again it is much more likely that we'll see something more along the line of the "The Troubles" that happened in Northern Ireland than anything approximating what happened in the 1860s.

AnimalMuppet 4y ago
If it goes down as urban vs rural, it is likely to involve food as a weapon.
kfarr 4y ago
I think you're right, and I'd go one step further to suggest that it's already happening. The path to radicalization for young American males is well known and straightforward and already delivers stochastic terrorism (not isolated events) on behalf of specific interests.
notacoward 4y ago
Agreed that the ~1860 civil war is not a likely scenario. Here are some other possible scenarios from US history. https://www.history.com/topics/early-us/shays-rebellion https://www.history.com/topics/early-us/shays-rebellion https://www.history.com/topics/early-us/whiskey-rebellion https://www.history.com/topics/early-us/whiskey-rebellion Were those civil wars? Or did they fall short? There's no simple, clear line. What we can almost certainly expect is terrorism, civil unrest, and moves toward legal autonomy short of actual secession. It will probably be a decade or so before we can tell whether those things (plus the reactions to them) are leading to an actual civil war.
foolinaround 4y ago
the ideological split seems to pit people in urban vs suburban & rural areas.
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_8j50 4y ago
It will be more like Yugoslavia. It will start as you said but full on war between states will be inevitable aftee that

bsagdiyev 4y ago

I hate to "be that guy" but this ends up being a both sides issue. There was a notice sent around to some churches after the RvW appeal to be vigilant since they had received some info on people possibly acting violently towards churches since they blamed them for it. (Edit to add: Please see https://janesrevenge.noblogs.org/2022/06/26/janes-revenge-night-of-rage-communique/ https://janesrevenge.noblogs.org/2022/06/26/janes-revenge-ni... -- these are pointedly anti-fascists, the opposite of the right. So this is a both sides issue.) Americans just don't seem to want to get along and understand on any side of the aisle. I can't talk politics to my family since they're all charged on their views and if I differ we just argue.

trasz 4y ago
>people possibly acting violently towards churches since they blamed them for it. Why, I wonder. /s
- bsagdiyev 4y ago
  Justify it however you like. Violence just makes people go against you and is wrong, full stop.
  - trasz 4y ago
    Except that in this case the "violence" is actually defence. It's the Church that's the source of birther's fringe ideas, which led to laws that violate fundamental human rights.
  - corrral 4y ago
    > Violence just makes people go against you and is wrong, full stop. That's... quite a bold assertion.
watwut 4y ago
Yeah no. The political and especially terrorist acts are not two side issues, they in fact flow from right much more. It is just that right always gets benefit of doubt. But also, overturn of RoW is long term work of evangelicals.

stjohnswarts 4y ago

I think there will be civil unrest until the MAGA movement dies off as their demagogue diminishes over time.