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Well, the incorrect part of you analysis is implying that right leaning states would start the war here. Given the current state of upcoming election polls, lo

by stale2002 4y ago

Well, the incorrect part of you analysis is implying that right leaning states would start the war here. Given the current state of upcoming election polls, local politics, and the supreme court, the right leaning states are going to get most of what they want. They have no reason to secede, when they are winning the current politics battles, and are likely to win future elections in the next few years.

amanaplanacanal 4y ago
The talk of secession is from the right leaning states. If, say, Texas were to secede, I wouldn’t be totally surprised if the US were to invade, after all that’s how the last civil war started. On the other hand, maybe they would do nothing.
- stale2002 4y ago
  > The talk of secession is from the right leaning states. There has been rhetoric from right leaning people, for decades on this,yes. But the point is, that from the actual on the ground political reality, the right is winning. They are winning in the courts, local/state power, and based on current voting polls, they are going to win in the upcoming federal elections. There is no need to secede if you simply control all the levers of government. And the recent facts are that the right is only going to get more power. Therefore, despite the rhetoric, right leaning places have no need to secede, when they can instead just take over the government the regular way.
lazide 4y ago
I never said they would start the war, I’d say neither “side” seems to have any actual need or desire to start an actual shooting civil war, since there is no ground in dispute (or that it would help to dispute), or major economic/resource dispute. If someone ‘captures’ Washington DC, for instance, it would not help them one bit. No one seems to be in any position to try to leave either, usefully. There is a lot of complaining and grumbling, and ideological disagreements. Maybe there could be a ‘crusade’, but doesn’t seem likely right now. If we’re talking elections, that’s the opposite of civil war. Right now it just seems like an old bitter married couple bitching about each other and talking about how they want to split. Far cry from actually doing it, let alone paying the legal bills.

amanaplanacanal 4y ago

The talk of secession is from the right leaning states. If, say, Texas were to secede, I wouldn’t be totally surprised if the US were to invade, after all that’s how the last civil war started. On the other hand, maybe they would do nothing.

stale2002 4y ago
> The talk of secession is from the right leaning states. There has been rhetoric from right leaning people, for decades on this,yes. But the point is, that from the actual on the ground political reality, the right is winning. They are winning in the courts, local/state power, and based on current voting polls, they are going to win in the upcoming federal elections. There is no need to secede if you simply control all the levers of government. And the recent facts are that the right is only going to get more power. Therefore, despite the rhetoric, right leaning places have no need to secede, when they can instead just take over the government the regular way.

lazide 4y ago

I never said they would start the war, I’d say neither “side” seems to have any actual need or desire to start an actual shooting civil war, since there is no ground in dispute (or that it would help to dispute), or major economic/resource dispute. If someone ‘captures’ Washington DC, for instance, it would not help them one bit. No one seems to be in any position to try to leave either, usefully. There is a lot of complaining and grumbling, and ideological disagreements. Maybe there could be a ‘crusade’, but doesn’t seem likely right now. If we’re talking elections, that’s the opposite of civil war. Right now it just seems like an old bitter married couple bitching about each other and talking about how they want to split. Far cry from actually doing it, let alone paying the legal bills.