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True but then it is a "you" problem rather than a company->employee expectation problem no? ie passion to a company's purpose is more of a selling point (and b

True but then it is a "you" problem rather than a company->employee expectation problem no? ie passion to a company's purpose is more of a selling point (and bargaining factor even for lower comp) than a daily pledge of allegiance job requirement. I am pretty sure when my parents worked in a postal office sorting mail as new (and highly qualified) immigrants they did it to feed me and my siblings rather than due to a passion for mail sorting.

dzikimarian 4y ago
I think there's couple layers to that. I would argue, that your parents would probably consider their job boring, underpaid, but in the end necessary and beneficial for regular people. Many of developers writing these posts, seem to have bullshit job complex. Passion is very strong word. Maybe just sense, that what you're doing is actually useful and not just justification of existence of your managers job? Personally I perform much worse if I see, that project is waste of everyone's time. Also - if your dilemma is feeding or not your children, then job satisfaction might be less important. It's obvious that software developers have extremely good position in this regard. Original article is about someone's warm memories of working for Stripe (for I assume exceptional compensation, far from any food-related issues), and a lot of people complained in comments, because in their view, what you doing 8h a day MUST be least important thing in your life, no matter what.
- flashgordon 4y ago
  +1 Intrinsic motivation is important (and personal too). But that I am not sure companies gets to demand that out of you as long as you are delivering (and not maligning). When this gets equated "well you are not putting 200% so you are not motivated" that is where I see the problem. Also I am totally fine if the author of this article is reminiscing good old days of gruel and pain. I just couldnt find anything to empathize with her about and felt sad for her. Again if masochism is the author's thing then good for them.
  - dzikimarian 4y ago
    I also think, that company cannot demand it. However some companies are able to convince you, that what they do is worthwhile use of your time - in general it feels better to work in places like this and I can see, that someone has warm memories of them, even if there were some pain along the way. Wether its genuine or just bullshit facade just to squeeze you more - it's other conversation. Also I get, that not everyone are into this (however I believe many end bitter over this later) or can afford it due to current life situation.

dzikimarian 4y ago

I think there's couple layers to that. I would argue, that your parents would probably consider their job boring, underpaid, but in the end necessary and beneficial for regular people. Many of developers writing these posts, seem to have bullshit job complex. Passion is very strong word. Maybe just sense, that what you're doing is actually useful and not just justification of existence of your managers job? Personally I perform much worse if I see, that project is waste of everyone's time. Also - if your dilemma is feeding or not your children, then job satisfaction might be less important. It's obvious that software developers have extremely good position in this regard. Original article is about someone's warm memories of working for Stripe (for I assume exceptional compensation, far from any food-related issues), and a lot of people complained in comments, because in their view, what you doing 8h a day MUST be least important thing in your life, no matter what.

flashgordon 4y ago
+1 Intrinsic motivation is important (and personal too). But that I am not sure companies gets to demand that out of you as long as you are delivering (and not maligning). When this gets equated "well you are not putting 200% so you are not motivated" that is where I see the problem. Also I am totally fine if the author of this article is reminiscing good old days of gruel and pain. I just couldnt find anything to empathize with her about and felt sad for her. Again if masochism is the author's thing then good for them.
- dzikimarian 4y ago
  I also think, that company cannot demand it. However some companies are able to convince you, that what they do is worthwhile use of your time - in general it feels better to work in places like this and I can see, that someone has warm memories of them, even if there were some pain along the way. Wether its genuine or just bullshit facade just to squeeze you more - it's other conversation. Also I get, that not everyone are into this (however I believe many end bitter over this later) or can afford it due to current life situation.