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Absolutely nothing is wrong with it. Just don't call yourself a world leader.
by chrisan 4y ago
Absolutely nothing is wrong with it.
Just don't call yourself a world leader.
- lucideer 4y agoIf there's nothing wrong with it, why would it preclude one being a world leader. (not saying GL are, there could be other unrelated things precluding it)
- rschachte 4y agoBecause being a world leader in remote work would imply they don’t do that?
- wowokay 4y agoThat doesn’t make sense? Just like universal pay doesn’t make sense unless there is a universal cost to everything.
- rschachte 4y agoIt makes sense relative to actual world leaders in tech that do not adjust pay based on location.
- codegeek 4y agoWhy should the definition of "World Leader in Remote" be based on how they pay. Why can't it be based on the fact that they allow fully remote and pay reasonably well for your area. Who decides the definition ?
- rschachte 4y agoWell that would be fine and all but there are a zillion tech companies that allow remote work that pay reasonably well. It doesn’t mean they’re a world leader in remote work. I worked at a small company that paid me a lot, gave me free stuff, perks etc. It doesn’t mean they’re a world leader in remote work. It just means they offer those things. The point is — they are not a world leader in remote work. They are a tech company with perks and this is good marketing for them to convince people like you otherwise.
- lucideer 4y ago> to convince people like you otherwise Nobody here is "convinced by their marketing" or has even mentioned they believe GLs claim. They're only asking for an explanation of your metric: that location based pay grades preclude leadership in remote working. I have yet to see any reasonable case for why this should be?
- chrisan 4y ago> They're only asking for an explanation of your metric: that location based pay grades preclude leadership in remote working. I have yet to see any reasonable case for why this should be? Not sure how I reply to the comment below by lucideer, I guess HN has a limit on children? Anywho, this is for him, not you :) Isn't the burden of proof on the one making the claim? I have yet to see a reasonable case for why they should be called a global leader when they treat their workers differently for the same output. Inequality is never going to be associated with a leader in my mind. Maybe from a c-level suit perspective they seem like leaders because they are getting away with making more money at the expense of the people building the product.
- lucideer 4y ago> Isn't the burden of proof on the one making the claim? Yes. It is. > I have yet to see a reasonable case for why they should be called a global leader when they treat their workers differently for the same output. My point was no-one has made that claim (nor any similar positive claim - your rephrasing uses weasel words* to bias the interpretation) The claim being made is as follows: "paying workers geo-adjusted wages precludes a company from being a global leader in remote work". Noone has claimed that geo-adjusted wages do make them a leader, nor that GL even is a leader. Only one commenter has made a claim: that is that geo-adjusted wages preclude leadership. * Aside to explain my comment on weasel words: paying the same wage could be as easily interpreted "treating workers differently" given spending power is actually a product of wage / cost-of-living ratio; the value of money is geographically variable
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- chomp 4y agoWho would you consider to be operationally and culturally superior in regards to remote work than Gitlab? Asking sincerely, because Gitlab is one of the first brands I think of when people mention "remote first culture".
- yani 4y agoAutomattic
- kirbypineapple 4y agoKraken has a few thousand employees, has been a remote first company for a decade, and pays the same no matter where you live.
- andsoitis 4y agoKraken operates in over 60 countries (according to their website). They pay the same amount across all those territories, including benefits etc.? I find that hard to believe.
- kirbypineapple 4y agoFor engineering/product etc. that's the case. Doesn't matter if you move from San Francisco to Thailand or some other low cost of living area, your pay remains the same.
- onion2k 4y agoNot cutting someone's pay when they move is very different to hiring someone in Thailand on a Bay Area salary.
- b4je7d7wb 4y agoWhy? If both do the same work in the same location, why would one get more than the other. Either you don't adjust the pay when they move because you are already paying everyone an equal salary. Or you adjust it and pay everyone a local salary. Gitlab does the latter.
- emerongi 4y agoIt's in your own personal definition of remote work that people should be paid an universal salary. Gitlab might not be a world leader in salaries, but they might very well be a world leader in providing the best remote work environment to their employees.
- arccy 4y agocan it really be "best" if you're treated unequally just because live somewhere different?
- lolinder 4y agoFor some people, sure! There are dozens of other metrics that can be used to evaluate a remote work environment, and for a lot of people "my salary matches my coworkers" doesn't matter as long as it's a good wage relative to what they'd be able to get working in an office locally.
- codegeek 4y agoWhy would you judge what I want as an employee. If I am happy living in a low cost of living area with the salary I am getting, why is it your problem to worry for me ?
- lttlrck 4y agoYou stance seems to be you can't be the best unless you do _everything_ better than everyone else.