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I live in a town like this. 'Roads' are actually reciprocal easements to allow all other land owners to pass. Each lot has water well and septic, though one gro

I live in a town like this. 'Roads' are actually reciprocal easements to allow all other land owners to pass. Each lot has water well and septic, though one group of houses has a large shared water system which pools the individual well permits. Electricity and gas and internet are private companies using an easement. Police and fire can easily be funded by sales tax, just like the public transit. Alternatively, land owners can voluntarily pay yearly for police and fire, or opt-out just like people are not forced by government to buy homeowner insurance.

rat87 4y ago
Sounds absolutely terrible. I'm sorry. Hope your town gets it's shit fixed
- landemva 4y ago
  Am enjoying coffee by the creek right now. It's awesome, but to each his/her own.
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- SoftTalker 4y ago
  Sounds quite nice to me. A good example of how private agreements such as easements can solve a lot of problems that people think require "government" solutions.
zbyte64 4y ago
Probably don't have bears in the area: https://newrepublic.com/article/159662/libertarian-walks-into-bear-book-review-free-town-project https://newrepublic.com/article/159662/libertarian-walks-int...
- landemva 4y ago
  Brown and black, though not grizzly. The moose are more dangerous. There are benefits to shared services, the question is how to fund the services and if it should be voluntary.
- zdragnar 4y ago
  Wait, why on earth is the article advising you to flee from a black bear? You literally cannot outrun a black bear- I've driven along side one that was running parallel to the road at around 30 miles an hour. If there aren't cubs around, you yell, clap and raise your arms. It'll run in a heartbeat. If there are cubs around, you back away slowly- running will just make it chase you. If it follows, stop moving.
  - Dig1t 4y ago
    > If it follows, stop moving. and then what!?
    - zdragnar 4y ago
      That's when you play dead, to get used to how you'll be in a minute. Realistically, it is a game of chicken. If you stop, you're signaling to the bear that you aren't intimidated. As long as it has an escape route, it'll back down.
Loughla 4y ago
If you don't mind me asking, where do you live? Because my area is very similar, but all 'reciprocal easements allowing owners to pass' are all based on county/state law, and enforced via such. Anything paved, tar/chipped, graveled, or traveled via dirt is a county road and subject to county maintenance and oversight.
- landemva 4y ago
  An easement is a form of a property contract, not a law. It is enforceable in court by parties to the easement. Maybe look into the lot lines and confirm if they extend through the 'road'. Then go to county clerk and recorder and find what easements were filed there. Lots of misunderstanding about this, even in local government. Have those laws been tested? Published appellate cases specific to the law may be very interesting. An encumberance or taking requires compensation. Also, be careful to not use motor vehicle laws and words like 'drive', as you can do what you want on private property. My child was practicing use of movement via a personal conveyance when 11 years old, in what looks like a car on what looks like a road.
- landemva 4y ago
  > subject to county maintenance and oversight. Incorporate a town and do what you want. After incorporating, set up contract to pay county to do maintenance until the town has time to bid it out. Curious thing here is that with the limited ability of the town to meddle, town council election is occasionally cancelled because it is not contested. There is little to fight over, so not a lot of grift or power. Am west of Mississippi river.

rat87 4y ago

Sounds absolutely terrible. I'm sorry. Hope your town gets it's shit fixed

landemva 4y ago
Am enjoying coffee by the creek right now. It's awesome, but to each his/her own.
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SoftTalker 4y ago
Sounds quite nice to me. A good example of how private agreements such as easements can solve a lot of problems that people think require "government" solutions.

zbyte64 4y ago

Probably don't have bears in the area: https://newrepublic.com/article/159662/libertarian-walks-into-bear-book-review-free-town-project https://newrepublic.com/article/159662/libertarian-walks-int...

landemva 4y ago
Brown and black, though not grizzly. The moose are more dangerous. There are benefits to shared services, the question is how to fund the services and if it should be voluntary.
zdragnar 4y ago
Wait, why on earth is the article advising you to flee from a black bear? You literally cannot outrun a black bear- I've driven along side one that was running parallel to the road at around 30 miles an hour. If there aren't cubs around, you yell, clap and raise your arms. It'll run in a heartbeat. If there are cubs around, you back away slowly- running will just make it chase you. If it follows, stop moving.
- Dig1t 4y ago
  > If it follows, stop moving. and then what!?
  - zdragnar 4y ago
    That's when you play dead, to get used to how you'll be in a minute. Realistically, it is a game of chicken. If you stop, you're signaling to the bear that you aren't intimidated. As long as it has an escape route, it'll back down.

Loughla 4y ago

If you don't mind me asking, where do you live? Because my area is very similar, but all 'reciprocal easements allowing owners to pass' are all based on county/state law, and enforced via such. Anything paved, tar/chipped, graveled, or traveled via dirt is a county road and subject to county maintenance and oversight.

landemva 4y ago
An easement is a form of a property contract, not a law. It is enforceable in court by parties to the easement. Maybe look into the lot lines and confirm if they extend through the 'road'. Then go to county clerk and recorder and find what easements were filed there. Lots of misunderstanding about this, even in local government. Have those laws been tested? Published appellate cases specific to the law may be very interesting. An encumberance or taking requires compensation. Also, be careful to not use motor vehicle laws and words like 'drive', as you can do what you want on private property. My child was practicing use of movement via a personal conveyance when 11 years old, in what looks like a car on what looks like a road.
landemva 4y ago
> subject to county maintenance and oversight. Incorporate a town and do what you want. After incorporating, set up contract to pay county to do maintenance until the town has time to bid it out. Curious thing here is that with the limited ability of the town to meddle, town council election is occasionally cancelled because it is not contested. There is little to fight over, so not a lot of grift or power. Am west of Mississippi river.