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Right but today we have that problem already. We know that a bad actor journalist can write a fake story. We therefore require sources. If deepfakes come along

Right but today we have that problem already. We know that a bad actor journalist can write a fake story. We therefore require sources. If deepfakes come along we will know videos can be fake and so we will be skeptical, as we are today, and look to proper sources. We will easily come up with some way to validate sources via cryptography or org reputation (e.g. we might trust the NY Times to not just fabricate things)

corrral 4y ago
This is already barely holding together with mostly human actors doing the astroturfing and creating bullshit "news organizations" expressly to spread propaganda. Automation is going to overwhelm a system that's already teetering.
- vehementi 4y ago
  Yeah but we will get the word out that none of that is trustworthy, then. There will be countermeasures and reactions to this just like previous things. It will certainly be effective to some degree - propaganda is effective for sure - but it won't just be, oh, there are deepfakes, everyone will now just unthinkingly accept them.
  - corrral 4y ago
    1) This effective backlash/education-campaign has not already happened despite there already being significant problems with this kind of thing, and most of it not being that hard to spot, even, and 2) I think the more likely effect is the destruction of shared trust in any set of news sources—we're already pretty damn close to this being the case, in fact. "It's all lies anyway" is a sentiment that favors dictators more than it does democracy.
    - nomel 4y ago
      > This effective backlash/education-campaign has not already happened despite there already being significant problems with this kind of thing I think it could be claimed that we're clearly in the process of learning to distrust. People distrust media more now than ever [1], because they've demonstrated, again and again, that they can't be trusted. Trust in institutions are down to new lows [2], because they've also shown that they're untrustworthy and/or incompetent. Everyone is shouting "disinformation", "misinformation", and "fake news" constantly, because nobody trusts anything anymore, and rightfully so in many cases. 1. https://news.gallup.com/poll/355526/americans-trust-media-dips-second-lowest-record.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/355526/americans-trust-media-di... 2. https://news.gallup.com/poll/394283/confidence-institutions-down-average-new-low.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/394283/confidence-institutions-...

corrral 4y ago

This is already barely holding together with mostly human actors doing the astroturfing and creating bullshit "news organizations" expressly to spread propaganda. Automation is going to overwhelm a system that's already teetering.

vehementi 4y ago
Yeah but we will get the word out that none of that is trustworthy, then. There will be countermeasures and reactions to this just like previous things. It will certainly be effective to some degree - propaganda is effective for sure - but it won't just be, oh, there are deepfakes, everyone will now just unthinkingly accept them.
- corrral 4y ago
  1) This effective backlash/education-campaign has not already happened despite there already being significant problems with this kind of thing, and most of it not being that hard to spot, even, and 2) I think the more likely effect is the destruction of shared trust in any set of news sources—we're already pretty damn close to this being the case, in fact. "It's all lies anyway" is a sentiment that favors dictators more than it does democracy.
  - nomel 4y ago
    > This effective backlash/education-campaign has not already happened despite there already being significant problems with this kind of thing I think it could be claimed that we're clearly in the process of learning to distrust. People distrust media more now than ever [1], because they've demonstrated, again and again, that they can't be trusted. Trust in institutions are down to new lows [2], because they've also shown that they're untrustworthy and/or incompetent. Everyone is shouting "disinformation", "misinformation", and "fake news" constantly, because nobody trusts anything anymore, and rightfully so in many cases. 1. https://news.gallup.com/poll/355526/americans-trust-media-dips-second-lowest-record.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/355526/americans-trust-media-di... 2. https://news.gallup.com/poll/394283/confidence-institutions-down-average-new-low.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/394283/confidence-institutions-...