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>and in the end, youll take a 15k raise, pick up some nice new PPE, sit at the same table as management and ask them to recall why they said all these things th

>and in the end, youll take a 15k raise, pick up some nice new PPE, sit at the same table as management and ask them to recall why they said all these things that werent true while they tell you they do not comment on any prior business conducted outside of a union agreement. And all your up and coming young techs you were hoping to train into more advanced positions leave to your competitors who can actually offer them a quick promotion and raise outside of the stupid seniority and job title based system the union got you and the workplace steadily inches toward "everyone does exactly their job and nothing more" type clock punching culture that makes everyone hate work. Whether the tradeoffs are worth it is an argument I'm willing to have. but don't lie to us and act like there's no downsides.

93po 4y ago
>everyone does exactly their job and nothing more Great! This is awesome. People shouldn't be doing work for free to the benefit of multibillion dollar companies.
- throwaway0a5e 4y ago
  I meant like the processing equipment fucks off and starts spilling product on the floor and the half crippled janitor has to struggle to turn it off while everyone else looks on because they're on their lunch break so it's not their problem. And then they all give the one fork lift driver who stops to help clean it up the stink eye. Or the front end loader operator who leaves at exactly 5pm rather than staying the extra 10min to complete the task at hand on the Friday before a long weekend leaving the people he was supporting to do a ton of less efficient work with a different machine causing his coworkers to not leave until 7pm because they were actually responsible for finishing the task. Both those are examples from real life BTW. And in both cases management wanted to chew the people being selfish jerks out but because of the rigidly defined job requirements as a result of the various agreements with the union nothing would have come of it so they didn't get chewed out. That's the kind of toxic "not my job" attitude that unions provide a heck of a lot of cover for. Frankly I think it's moronic that people don't realize that just because something benefits the company doesn't mean it doesn't also benefit your coworkers.
  - 93po 4y ago
    The difficulties in your example all stem from the employer not having proper staffing. The fault is entirely with the employer, and if I was one of those guys I'd also fuck off right at 5PM. I'm not getting paid to stay late.

93po 4y ago

>everyone does exactly their job and nothing more Great! This is awesome. People shouldn't be doing work for free to the benefit of multibillion dollar companies.

throwaway0a5e 4y ago
I meant like the processing equipment fucks off and starts spilling product on the floor and the half crippled janitor has to struggle to turn it off while everyone else looks on because they're on their lunch break so it's not their problem. And then they all give the one fork lift driver who stops to help clean it up the stink eye. Or the front end loader operator who leaves at exactly 5pm rather than staying the extra 10min to complete the task at hand on the Friday before a long weekend leaving the people he was supporting to do a ton of less efficient work with a different machine causing his coworkers to not leave until 7pm because they were actually responsible for finishing the task. Both those are examples from real life BTW. And in both cases management wanted to chew the people being selfish jerks out but because of the rigidly defined job requirements as a result of the various agreements with the union nothing would have come of it so they didn't get chewed out. That's the kind of toxic "not my job" attitude that unions provide a heck of a lot of cover for. Frankly I think it's moronic that people don't realize that just because something benefits the company doesn't mean it doesn't also benefit your coworkers.
- 93po 4y ago
  The difficulties in your example all stem from the employer not having proper staffing. The fault is entirely with the employer, and if I was one of those guys I'd also fuck off right at 5PM. I'm not getting paid to stay late.