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It absolutely was sold as “you’ll be immune”. Maybe not in scientific papers, but certainly on the news.

melling 4y ago
Perhaps in the first couple months the effectiveness was overstated but that quickly changed. After a million American deaths you’d think people could start to get the story straight. But hey, maybe there are news links that support your belief. Got anything from say June 2020 until now?
- latchkey 4y ago
  Nice. I would have given the exact same reply.
- ColanR 4y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32170042 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32170042
  - melling 4y ago
    Yes, that was in the first couple months of the vaccine when they were extremely effective. We soon discovered they didn’t last and the virus mutated. We skipped the long-term studies. I got the year wrong obviously. We didn’t have the vaccine in June 2020. By the summer of 2021 the story of vaccine effectiveness completely changed. So to summarize: THE NEWS HASNT BEEN TELLING EVERYONE FOR THE PAST YEAR THAT VACCINES COMPLETELY PREVENT THE DISEASE UPDATE: EFFICACY is a different word than effective.
    - ColanR 4y ago
      >>> It was never sold as "you'll be immune". > THE NEWS HASNT BEEN TELLING EVERYONE FOR THE PAST YEAR THAT VACCINES COMPLETELY PREVENT THE DISEASE We're not talking about the past year. We're talking about if they were ever claimed to be 100% effective. Don't move the goalposts. Also, dude, chill out. And anyway, who said they're still claiming 100% efficacy? The anti-vaccine crowd has been mocking the media and Fauci for continuously decreasing the % efficacy claims. (Not that it's a legitimate criticism, since with a leaky vaccine it's to be expected: but if you overpromise at the beginning, you lose your credibility, and then you get cheap shots.) > We soon discovered they didn’t last and the virus mutated. There were plenty of people who saw that coming, but they were dismissed as 'anti-vaccine' and 'anti-science'. Why are you surprised by basic virology? > We skipped the long-term studies. Yep. Sure did. Wonder what else we're going to find.
      - melling 4y ago
        Let me quote exactly what I said in my initial reply: “ Perhaps in the first couple months the effectiveness was overstated but that quickly changed” UPDATE: EFFICACY is a different word than effective. Here’s what the news was saying: https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/sanofi-gsk-covid-vaccine/ https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/sanofi-gsk-covid-vaccin...
        ColanR 4y ago
        Ok, let me quote exactly what I just said: "We're talking about if they were ever claimed to be 100% effective....if you overpromise at the beginning, you lose your credibility, and then you get cheap shots."
        melling 4y ago
        EFFICACY is a different word than effective. https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/sanofi-gsk-covid-vaccine/ https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/sanofi-gsk-covid-vaccin... “New vaccine demonstrates 100% efficacy against severe COVID, hospitalizations”
        ColanR 4y ago
        The articles I linked used the two words interchangably. Clearly that distinction isn't relevant to the layperson audience. You're just playing with words.
Bubble_Pop_22 4y ago
Being immune and having COVID without even noticing are kinda the same thing. Vaccine+Boosts improve the odds of you not even feeling it. So the news wasn't entirely wrong.
- notriddle 4y ago
  I'm pretty sure they're complaining about it not providing sterilizing immunity. Most vaccines don't provide sterilizing immunity [1] [2], but what's a little double standard compared to political clout, right? [1]: https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/09/sterilizing-immunity-myth-covid-19-vaccines/620023/ https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/09/steriliz... [2]: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/can-people-vaccinated-against-covid-19-still-spread-the-coronavirus https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/can-people-vaccinated-ag...

Perhaps in the first couple months the effectiveness was overstated but that quickly changed. After a million American deaths you’d think people could start to get the story straight. But hey, maybe there are news links that support your belief. Got anything from say June 2020 until now?

latchkey 4y ago
Nice. I would have given the exact same reply.
ColanR 4y ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32170042 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32170042
- melling 4y ago
  Yes, that was in the first couple months of the vaccine when they were extremely effective. We soon discovered they didn’t last and the virus mutated. We skipped the long-term studies. I got the year wrong obviously. We didn’t have the vaccine in June 2020. By the summer of 2021 the story of vaccine effectiveness completely changed. So to summarize: THE NEWS HASNT BEEN TELLING EVERYONE FOR THE PAST YEAR THAT VACCINES COMPLETELY PREVENT THE DISEASE UPDATE: EFFICACY is a different word than effective.
  - ColanR 4y ago
    >>> It was never sold as "you'll be immune". > THE NEWS HASNT BEEN TELLING EVERYONE FOR THE PAST YEAR THAT VACCINES COMPLETELY PREVENT THE DISEASE We're not talking about the past year. We're talking about if they were ever claimed to be 100% effective. Don't move the goalposts. Also, dude, chill out. And anyway, who said they're still claiming 100% efficacy? The anti-vaccine crowd has been mocking the media and Fauci for continuously decreasing the % efficacy claims. (Not that it's a legitimate criticism, since with a leaky vaccine it's to be expected: but if you overpromise at the beginning, you lose your credibility, and then you get cheap shots.) > We soon discovered they didn’t last and the virus mutated. There were plenty of people who saw that coming, but they were dismissed as 'anti-vaccine' and 'anti-science'. Why are you surprised by basic virology? > We skipped the long-term studies. Yep. Sure did. Wonder what else we're going to find.
    - melling 4y ago
      Let me quote exactly what I said in my initial reply: “ Perhaps in the first couple months the effectiveness was overstated but that quickly changed” UPDATE: EFFICACY is a different word than effective. Here’s what the news was saying: https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/sanofi-gsk-covid-vaccine/ https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/sanofi-gsk-covid-vaccin...
      - ColanR 4y ago
        Ok, let me quote exactly what I just said: "We're talking about if they were ever claimed to be 100% effective....if you overpromise at the beginning, you lose your credibility, and then you get cheap shots."
        melling 4y ago
        EFFICACY is a different word than effective. https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/sanofi-gsk-covid-vaccine/ https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/sanofi-gsk-covid-vaccin... “New vaccine demonstrates 100% efficacy against severe COVID, hospitalizations”
        ColanR 4y ago
        The articles I linked used the two words interchangably. Clearly that distinction isn't relevant to the layperson audience. You're just playing with words.

Bubble_Pop_22 4y ago

Being immune and having COVID without even noticing are kinda the same thing. Vaccine+Boosts improve the odds of you not even feeling it. So the news wasn't entirely wrong.

notriddle 4y ago
I'm pretty sure they're complaining about it not providing sterilizing immunity. Most vaccines don't provide sterilizing immunity [1] [2], but what's a little double standard compared to political clout, right? [1]: https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/09/sterilizing-immunity-myth-covid-19-vaccines/620023/ https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/09/steriliz... [2]: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/can-people-vaccinated-against-covid-19-still-spread-the-coronavirus https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/can-people-vaccinated-ag...