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Got the vaccine and the two boosters. Don't really regret it but I don't think I'll be bothering with any further boosters. I don't believe the conspiracy theo

Got the vaccine and the two boosters. Don't really regret it but I don't think I'll be bothering with any further boosters. I don't believe the conspiracy theory nut-jobs about the vaccine. But I do feel it was oversold to us as "Get the vaccine and a booster and you'll be immune to Covid". The reality seems to be that we're expected to get a new booster shot, every time the virus mutates.

latchkey 4y ago
It was never sold as "you'll be immune". ALL of the discussions have been that it reduces the effects, if you are infected. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/effectiveness/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/effective... https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/facts.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/facts.htm...
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- hitpointdrew 4y ago
  It absolutely was sold as “you’ll be immune”. Maybe not in scientific papers, but certainly on the news.
  - melling 4y ago
    Perhaps in the first couple months the effectiveness was overstated but that quickly changed. After a million American deaths you’d think people could start to get the story straight. But hey, maybe there are news links that support your belief. Got anything from say June 2020 until now?
    - latchkey 4y ago
      Nice. I would have given the exact same reply.
    - ColanR 4y ago
      https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32170042 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32170042
      - melling 4y ago
        Yes, that was in the first couple months of the vaccine when they were extremely effective. We soon discovered they didn’t last and the virus mutated. We skipped the long-term studies. I got the year wrong obviously. We didn’t have the vaccine in June 2020. By the summer of 2021 the story of vaccine effectiveness completely changed. So to summarize: THE NEWS HASNT BEEN TELLING EVERYONE FOR THE PAST YEAR THAT VACCINES COMPLETELY PREVENT THE DISEASE UPDATE: EFFICACY is a different word than effective.
        ColanR 4y ago
        >>> It was never sold as "you'll be immune". > THE NEWS HASNT BEEN TELLING EVERYONE FOR THE PAST YEAR THAT VACCINES COMPLETELY PREVENT THE DISEASE We're not talking about the past year. We're talking about if they were ever claimed to be 100% effective. Don't move the goalposts. Also, dude, chill out. And anyway, who said they're still claiming 100% efficacy? The anti-vaccine crowd has been mocking the media and Fauci for continuously decreasing the % efficacy claims. (Not that it's a legitimate criticism, since with a leaky vaccine it's to be expected: but if you overpromise at the beginning, you lose your credibility, and then you get cheap shots.) > We soon discovered they didn’t last and the virus mutated. There were plenty of people who saw that coming, but they were dismissed as 'anti-vaccine' and 'anti-science'. Why are you surprised by basic virology? > We skipped the long-term studies. Yep. Sure did. Wonder what else we're going to find.
        melling 4y ago
        Let me quote exactly what I said in my initial reply: “ Perhaps in the first couple months the effectiveness was overstated but that quickly changed” UPDATE: EFFICACY is a different word than effective. Here’s what the news was saying: https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/sanofi-gsk-covid-vaccine/ https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/sanofi-gsk-covid-vaccin...
  - Bubble_Pop_22 4y ago
    Being immune and having COVID without even noticing are kinda the same thing. Vaccine+Boosts improve the odds of you not even feeling it. So the news wasn't entirely wrong.
    - notriddle 4y ago
      I'm pretty sure they're complaining about it not providing sterilizing immunity. Most vaccines don't provide sterilizing immunity [1] [2], but what's a little double standard compared to political clout, right? [1]: https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/09/sterilizing-immunity-myth-covid-19-vaccines/620023/ https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/09/steriliz... [2]: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/can-people-vaccinated-against-covid-19-still-spread-the-coronavirus https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/can-people-vaccinated-ag...
- ColanR 4y ago
  Yes, it was. But they'd be very happy for you to forget that. https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/31/health/pfizer-vaccine-adolescent-trial-results/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/31/health/pfizer-vaccine-adolesc... https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20211123/pfizer-covid-vaccine-effectiveness-adolescents-study https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/2021112... https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/25/covid-vaccine-moderna-says-shot-is-100percent-effective-in-teens-plans-to-seek-fda-ok-in-june.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/25/covid-vaccine-moderna-says-s...
  - latchkey 4y ago
    All three of your links show a lack of understanding of the word 'efficacy', which is defined as: "the ability to produce a desired or intended result". If you have a clinical trial and everyone in the trial passes the clinical trial, that doesn't mean the vaccine is a magic cape that protects 100% against the virus. It just means that the desired result in the trial was achieved.
    - ColanR 4y ago
      If these were internal memos among domain experts, then understanding the nuances between "100% effective" and "immune" would be expected. But when the vaccine is being sold to the general population as "100% effective" I think we're just talking about wordplay. Those articles made some pretty strong claims, and I'm not really sure what else a layperson is expected to take away from this besides "100% I won't get covid". > Covid-19 vaccine is 100% effective > Researchers observed 18 Covid-19 cases among the 1,129 participants who were given a placebo, and none among the 1,131 volunteers who got the vaccine. > Pfizer COVID Vaccine Is 100% Effective in Adolescents > A two-dose series was 100% effective against COVID-19, which was measured between 7 days and 4 months after the second dose.
      - latchkey 4y ago
        You seem fixated on the layperson.
ss108 4y ago
That's how it works for flu shots too, so I don't see the issue

latchkey 4y ago

It was never sold as "you'll be immune". ALL of the discussions have been that it reduces the effects, if you are infected. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/effectiveness/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/effective... https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/facts.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/facts.htm...

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hitpointdrew 4y ago
It absolutely was sold as “you’ll be immune”. Maybe not in scientific papers, but certainly on the news.
- melling 4y ago
  Perhaps in the first couple months the effectiveness was overstated but that quickly changed. After a million American deaths you’d think people could start to get the story straight. But hey, maybe there are news links that support your belief. Got anything from say June 2020 until now?
  - latchkey 4y ago
    Nice. I would have given the exact same reply.
  - ColanR 4y ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32170042 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32170042
    - melling 4y ago
      Yes, that was in the first couple months of the vaccine when they were extremely effective. We soon discovered they didn’t last and the virus mutated. We skipped the long-term studies. I got the year wrong obviously. We didn’t have the vaccine in June 2020. By the summer of 2021 the story of vaccine effectiveness completely changed. So to summarize: THE NEWS HASNT BEEN TELLING EVERYONE FOR THE PAST YEAR THAT VACCINES COMPLETELY PREVENT THE DISEASE UPDATE: EFFICACY is a different word than effective.
      - ColanR 4y ago
        >>> It was never sold as "you'll be immune". > THE NEWS HASNT BEEN TELLING EVERYONE FOR THE PAST YEAR THAT VACCINES COMPLETELY PREVENT THE DISEASE We're not talking about the past year. We're talking about if they were ever claimed to be 100% effective. Don't move the goalposts. Also, dude, chill out. And anyway, who said they're still claiming 100% efficacy? The anti-vaccine crowd has been mocking the media and Fauci for continuously decreasing the % efficacy claims. (Not that it's a legitimate criticism, since with a leaky vaccine it's to be expected: but if you overpromise at the beginning, you lose your credibility, and then you get cheap shots.) > We soon discovered they didn’t last and the virus mutated. There were plenty of people who saw that coming, but they were dismissed as 'anti-vaccine' and 'anti-science'. Why are you surprised by basic virology? > We skipped the long-term studies. Yep. Sure did. Wonder what else we're going to find.
        melling 4y ago
        Let me quote exactly what I said in my initial reply: “ Perhaps in the first couple months the effectiveness was overstated but that quickly changed” UPDATE: EFFICACY is a different word than effective. Here’s what the news was saying: https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/sanofi-gsk-covid-vaccine/ https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/sanofi-gsk-covid-vaccin...
- Bubble_Pop_22 4y ago
  Being immune and having COVID without even noticing are kinda the same thing. Vaccine+Boosts improve the odds of you not even feeling it. So the news wasn't entirely wrong.
  - notriddle 4y ago
    I'm pretty sure they're complaining about it not providing sterilizing immunity. Most vaccines don't provide sterilizing immunity [1] [2], but what's a little double standard compared to political clout, right? [1]: https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/09/sterilizing-immunity-myth-covid-19-vaccines/620023/ https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/09/steriliz... [2]: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/can-people-vaccinated-against-covid-19-still-spread-the-coronavirus https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/can-people-vaccinated-ag...
ColanR 4y ago
Yes, it was. But they'd be very happy for you to forget that. https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/31/health/pfizer-vaccine-adolescent-trial-results/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/31/health/pfizer-vaccine-adolesc... https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20211123/pfizer-covid-vaccine-effectiveness-adolescents-study https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/2021112... https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/25/covid-vaccine-moderna-says-shot-is-100percent-effective-in-teens-plans-to-seek-fda-ok-in-june.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/25/covid-vaccine-moderna-says-s...
- latchkey 4y ago
  All three of your links show a lack of understanding of the word 'efficacy', which is defined as: "the ability to produce a desired or intended result". If you have a clinical trial and everyone in the trial passes the clinical trial, that doesn't mean the vaccine is a magic cape that protects 100% against the virus. It just means that the desired result in the trial was achieved.
  - ColanR 4y ago
    If these were internal memos among domain experts, then understanding the nuances between "100% effective" and "immune" would be expected. But when the vaccine is being sold to the general population as "100% effective" I think we're just talking about wordplay. Those articles made some pretty strong claims, and I'm not really sure what else a layperson is expected to take away from this besides "100% I won't get covid". > Covid-19 vaccine is 100% effective > Researchers observed 18 Covid-19 cases among the 1,129 participants who were given a placebo, and none among the 1,131 volunteers who got the vaccine. > Pfizer COVID Vaccine Is 100% Effective in Adolescents > A two-dose series was 100% effective against COVID-19, which was measured between 7 days and 4 months after the second dose.
    - latchkey 4y ago
      You seem fixated on the layperson.

ss108 4y ago

That's how it works for flu shots too, so I don't see the issue