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I'm not sure how I feel about this. My gut instinct is that opening these things can lead to a ton of malware and fake app stores, which will lead to a not-insi

I'm not sure how I feel about this. My gut instinct is that opening these things can lead to a ton of malware and fake app stores, which will lead to a not-insignificant number of people being victimized. I'm also annoyed that the EU produces effectively 0 innovative tech, and subsequently has very suppressed tech salaries, but is so ready to regulate the American companies that make the world go 'round.

origin_path 4y ago
It's worth noting that Android already allows such things and there has been no malware apocalypse. In all the years Android existed I've never encountered someone with a malware filled phone. People stick with the default app store and are fine. Agree about the EU though.
- bun_at_work 4y ago
  The entire history of Android is filled with malware stories. Google has gotten better about moderating their PlayStore, but there have been plenty of flashlight apps or similarly dumb apps that are just rootkits, bitcoin miners, or more malicious forms of malware.
  - izacus 4y ago
    AppStore is also filled with malware apps (including explotative flashlight apps and apps that trick you into subscriptions). Yours is a throughly debunked argument.
    - rad_gruchalski 4y ago
      Awesome, there will be more of those soon.
  - kevincox 4y ago
    You are talking about malware in the official app store, not how installing software via alternative appstores or without an app store is worse.
- SixDouble5321 4y ago
  Malware occurs in both environments and often comes through the default app store.
fariszr 4y ago
> I'm also annoyed that the EU produces effectively 0 innovative tech, and subsequently has very suppressed tech salaries, but is so ready to regulate the American companies that make the world go 'round Because its almost impossible to compete? These companies have so many resources, its impossible for any local competitor to compete. Amazon can just crash the prices till the competition dies, Google can just not allow YouTube on it, Facebook will exist because of the network it has. What the EU is doing is what is needed to happen long ago. These companies are not currently successful because they offer the best experience or the best innovativtion, they are successful because they crush anyone else. For example WhatsApp has many many better alternatives, which have better features and better privacy, but it still the #1 because of the monopoly it has on communication. What the EU did here is smart, they didn't outright ban WhatsApp, or funded a direct competitor. They forced them to play fair, to stop the monopolistic behavior and force them to compete on features, rather than succeeding only because my familly is on WhatsApp. The same thing applies to Apple, which forces to everyone to use its crappy, intentionally handicapped browser engine. And also forcing everyone to use its payment services while taking percentage of the profits and not even allowing you to increase the prices to cover their percentage!, this is absolutely outreagous and finally something is being done about it.
- a4a4a4a4 4y ago
  > Because its almost impossible to compete? Explain the number of American unicorns and the (almost) complete lack of European unicorns then? Somehow American companies and startups find ways to compete and be relevant, and it just does not happen in Europe. If you could snap your fingers and force Apple and Google to implement this today, these new markets (app stores and browsers for iOS) would be 99% filled by American companies.
  - unity1001 4y ago
    Uncontrolled amounts of dollars entering the stock market and the financial system thanks to dollar having been used as a reserve currency for mainly trading oil? Allowing fractional reserve lending from private banks to awash the economy with cash? Leading to EXTREME bloat in the stock market in 'valuations' that go over, what, 700 times the actual near-term revenue of corporations? Based on 'future revenue' that is supposed to materialize, but not visible into the next decade? Ending up in the investment space being able to dump insane amounts of money on hundreds of startups at a time by calculating that even if 99 of them fail at any given time, just one of them turning into an over-valued 'unicorn' would end up flushing the investor with 'value'? Which came down crashing the moment a few countries started trading oil and other resources with non-dollar currencies? So much that now all those unicorns all the way to Twitter and Facebook are in hot water because of their overvalued shares compared to their actual profits? ... Give any country free, non-devaluing money, and anyone will be able to do anything.
neither_color 4y ago
I'm more worried about product line bifurcation. Europe has chosen this point in time to say "ok, the tech is good enough we're going to regulate and mandate a tech bill of rights now, anything new requires committee and our consent." As soon as something better comes along Europeans will get nerfed Europe-compliant phones and tech savvy Europeans will be importing grey market phones from America and Asia.
SuperSandro2000 4y ago
"innovative" tech companies: - Amazon exploits their workforce and has a turnover rate of 150% - Facebook destabilizes democracies and drives extremism while collecting as much data as possible and tracking you over the entire web - Google also collects as much data as possible and controls the big majority of the browser market - Microsoft has a monopoly on Desktop OS especially for the office. Entire states are fully reliant on them to continue to function. - Apple tries to convenience you to pay a hefty extra price for a more and more walled garden Those companies are bigger than states, have high influence on politics and together could overthrow states. If you have a innovative idea without an entire law department they will just copy it or pressure you into a buy out. If you play by the law you cannot beat them at their game if they don't let you.
unity1001 4y ago
> the EU produces effectively 0 innovative tech Eu produces effectively 0 innovative tech because the PR marketing-machine that is geared to sell you stocks on the US stock market makes incessant noise about American companies to sell those shares to you while excluding anyone outside. https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/10/meet-europe-top-tech-titans/ https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/10/meet-europe-top-tech-... Those are the 'hot up and coming'. https://www.value.today/top-companies/top-technology-companies-europe https://www.value.today/top-companies/top-technology-compani... Those are by size. All of this, without talking about SAP and the like. European businesses dont operate on 'Sell over-inflated shares to those suckers to "capitalize"' - they operate on traditional indicators. Hence there isnt a need in Europe to constantly hawk any company's shares to make fools part with their money for the sake of financial sector. So you end up with companies like Hetzner slowly growing from engineering roots and then suddenly jumping on to the other side of the ocean to kick incumbent cloud butt there.
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dariosalvi78 4y ago
American companies can well decide to offer their services elsewhere you know...

origin_path 4y ago

It's worth noting that Android already allows such things and there has been no malware apocalypse. In all the years Android existed I've never encountered someone with a malware filled phone. People stick with the default app store and are fine. Agree about the EU though.

bun_at_work 4y ago
The entire history of Android is filled with malware stories. Google has gotten better about moderating their PlayStore, but there have been plenty of flashlight apps or similarly dumb apps that are just rootkits, bitcoin miners, or more malicious forms of malware.
- izacus 4y ago
  AppStore is also filled with malware apps (including explotative flashlight apps and apps that trick you into subscriptions). Yours is a throughly debunked argument.
  - rad_gruchalski 4y ago
    Awesome, there will be more of those soon.
- kevincox 4y ago
  You are talking about malware in the official app store, not how installing software via alternative appstores or without an app store is worse.
SixDouble5321 4y ago
Malware occurs in both environments and often comes through the default app store.

fariszr 4y ago

> I'm also annoyed that the EU produces effectively 0 innovative tech, and subsequently has very suppressed tech salaries, but is so ready to regulate the American companies that make the world go 'round Because its almost impossible to compete? These companies have so many resources, its impossible for any local competitor to compete. Amazon can just crash the prices till the competition dies, Google can just not allow YouTube on it, Facebook will exist because of the network it has. What the EU is doing is what is needed to happen long ago. These companies are not currently successful because they offer the best experience or the best innovativtion, they are successful because they crush anyone else. For example WhatsApp has many many better alternatives, which have better features and better privacy, but it still the #1 because of the monopoly it has on communication. What the EU did here is smart, they didn't outright ban WhatsApp, or funded a direct competitor. They forced them to play fair, to stop the monopolistic behavior and force them to compete on features, rather than succeeding only because my familly is on WhatsApp. The same thing applies to Apple, which forces to everyone to use its crappy, intentionally handicapped browser engine. And also forcing everyone to use its payment services while taking percentage of the profits and not even allowing you to increase the prices to cover their percentage!, this is absolutely outreagous and finally something is being done about it.

a4a4a4a4 4y ago
> Because its almost impossible to compete? Explain the number of American unicorns and the (almost) complete lack of European unicorns then? Somehow American companies and startups find ways to compete and be relevant, and it just does not happen in Europe. If you could snap your fingers and force Apple and Google to implement this today, these new markets (app stores and browsers for iOS) would be 99% filled by American companies.
- unity1001 4y ago
  Uncontrolled amounts of dollars entering the stock market and the financial system thanks to dollar having been used as a reserve currency for mainly trading oil? Allowing fractional reserve lending from private banks to awash the economy with cash? Leading to EXTREME bloat in the stock market in 'valuations' that go over, what, 700 times the actual near-term revenue of corporations? Based on 'future revenue' that is supposed to materialize, but not visible into the next decade? Ending up in the investment space being able to dump insane amounts of money on hundreds of startups at a time by calculating that even if 99 of them fail at any given time, just one of them turning into an over-valued 'unicorn' would end up flushing the investor with 'value'? Which came down crashing the moment a few countries started trading oil and other resources with non-dollar currencies? So much that now all those unicorns all the way to Twitter and Facebook are in hot water because of their overvalued shares compared to their actual profits? ... Give any country free, non-devaluing money, and anyone will be able to do anything.

neither_color 4y ago

I'm more worried about product line bifurcation. Europe has chosen this point in time to say "ok, the tech is good enough we're going to regulate and mandate a tech bill of rights now, anything new requires committee and our consent." As soon as something better comes along Europeans will get nerfed Europe-compliant phones and tech savvy Europeans will be importing grey market phones from America and Asia.

SuperSandro2000 4y ago

"innovative" tech companies: - Amazon exploits their workforce and has a turnover rate of 150% - Facebook destabilizes democracies and drives extremism while collecting as much data as possible and tracking you over the entire web - Google also collects as much data as possible and controls the big majority of the browser market - Microsoft has a monopoly on Desktop OS especially for the office. Entire states are fully reliant on them to continue to function. - Apple tries to convenience you to pay a hefty extra price for a more and more walled garden Those companies are bigger than states, have high influence on politics and together could overthrow states. If you have a innovative idea without an entire law department they will just copy it or pressure you into a buy out. If you play by the law you cannot beat them at their game if they don't let you.

unity1001 4y ago

> the EU produces effectively 0 innovative tech Eu produces effectively 0 innovative tech because the PR marketing-machine that is geared to sell you stocks on the US stock market makes incessant noise about American companies to sell those shares to you while excluding anyone outside. https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/10/meet-europe-top-tech-titans/ https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/10/meet-europe-top-tech-... Those are the 'hot up and coming'. https://www.value.today/top-companies/top-technology-companies-europe https://www.value.today/top-companies/top-technology-compani... Those are by size. All of this, without talking about SAP and the like. European businesses dont operate on 'Sell over-inflated shares to those suckers to "capitalize"' - they operate on traditional indicators. Hence there isnt a need in Europe to constantly hawk any company's shares to make fools part with their money for the sake of financial sector. So you end up with companies like Hetzner slowly growing from engineering roots and then suddenly jumping on to the other side of the ocean to kick incumbent cloud butt there.

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dariosalvi78 4y ago

American companies can well decide to offer their services elsewhere you know...