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Okay, ban all that stuff too. Why do people need more than pistols, shotguns, and basic rifles? I can’t own a nuclear weapon. So clearly there is a line.

a4a4a4a4 4y ago
Do you know how many people are killed by rifles per year in the US? ... Around _400_[1]. That's ALL rifles. Hunting rifles, bolt action, "assault weapons", whatever, in a country with ~300M-1B guns and a population of 330M. While we should look at why these deaths happening, banning the tool used to commit such an incredibly low number of crimes is just silly. I'd compare it to trying to ban swimming pools because 390 people drown in them per year [2]. "No one NEEDS a swimming pool, ban them all!" People like you that want to go off and "ban everything" while being completely uninformed and refusing to do any kind of simple research are the worst kind of voters / citizens. [1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/195325/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-weapon-used/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/195325/murder-victims-in... [2] https://www.edgarsnyder.com/statistics/swimming-pool-statistics.html https://www.edgarsnyder.com/statistics/swimming-pool-statist...
- JasserInicide 4y ago
  The problem with the pool argument is that a pool isn't designed to kill. Guns are. Hunting, self-defense...doesn't matter. Not saying I agree with this line of thinking, but that is a common retort.
  - a4a4a4a4 4y ago
    Guns _are_ designed to kill, and yet they (rifles) still kill around the same number people as pools. I take this as further evidence that the "assault weapon problem" is blown completely out of proportion in the media.
stevenjgarner 4y ago
The 2nd amendment says: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." [0] My understanding is that it is up to the courts (ultimately the US Supreme Court) to interpret the Constitution, and define things like "Arms", "security", etc.. > I can’t own a nuclear weapon Careful what you wish for. If personal nuclear weapons ever become a thing, they too may be "Arms" "necessary to the security of a free State". It is hard to understand some rulings of the Supreme Court. At the time of writing the 2nd Amendment (December 15, 1791), the accepted "Arm" was a musket, with a muzzle velocity between 1425 fps (434 m/s) and 1700 fps (518 m/s) with a ¾” (19.05 mm) diameter ball (. 640 caliber), and an approximate weight of .9 oz (25.5 g) [1]. Today the court accepts that an ArmaLite AR-15 is an "Arm", with a muzzle velocity of 3,300 ft/s (1,006 m/s) using a .223 Remington cartridge with a 55 g FMJ bullet [2]. The momentum of the AR-15 round is therefore approx 55,330 gm/s compared to 13,209 gm/s for the musket ball (ie more than 4 times greater). Too many American shooters make the mistake of thinking these modern "lightweight" weapons translate into less lethality, but it is the increased momentum from higher muzzle velocities that does the devastating damage to soft tissue and bone. Take a look at the X-ray of a leg showing a bullet wound delivered by an assault rifle used in combat compared to an X-ray of a leg that sustained a bullet wound from a low-energy bullet, inflicted by a weapon like a handgun in Philadelphia. [3]. The trauma surgeons of the 19 children killed in the Robb Elementary massacre reported "They were so pulverized, he said, that they could be identified only by their clothing." [4] [0] https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-2/ https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-2/ [1] https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/15740773.2019.1634914?journalCode=yjca20 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/15740773.2019.16... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.223_Remington https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.223_Remington [3] https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/04/health/parkland-shooting-victims-ar15.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/04/health/parkland-shooting-... [4] https://khn.org/news/article/trauma-surgeons-uvalde-mass-shooting-gun-control/ https://khn.org/news/article/trauma-surgeons-uvalde-mass-sho...
- stevenjgarner 4y ago
  This does not even get into the expanding, or hollow-point, bullets used in the AR-15's to open upon impact and cause more damage to their targets. [0] [0] https://archive.ph/kCfK4#selection-781.2-784.0 https://archive.ph/kCfK4#selection-781.2-784.0

a4a4a4a4 4y ago

Do you know how many people are killed by rifles per year in the US? ... Around _400_[1]. That's ALL rifles. Hunting rifles, bolt action, "assault weapons", whatever, in a country with ~300M-1B guns and a population of 330M. While we should look at why these deaths happening, banning the tool used to commit such an incredibly low number of crimes is just silly. I'd compare it to trying to ban swimming pools because 390 people drown in them per year [2]. "No one NEEDS a swimming pool, ban them all!" People like you that want to go off and "ban everything" while being completely uninformed and refusing to do any kind of simple research are the worst kind of voters / citizens. [1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/195325/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-weapon-used/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/195325/murder-victims-in... [2] https://www.edgarsnyder.com/statistics/swimming-pool-statistics.html https://www.edgarsnyder.com/statistics/swimming-pool-statist...

JasserInicide 4y ago
The problem with the pool argument is that a pool isn't designed to kill. Guns are. Hunting, self-defense...doesn't matter. Not saying I agree with this line of thinking, but that is a common retort.
- a4a4a4a4 4y ago
  Guns _are_ designed to kill, and yet they (rifles) still kill around the same number people as pools. I take this as further evidence that the "assault weapon problem" is blown completely out of proportion in the media.

stevenjgarner 4y ago

The 2nd amendment says: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." [0] My understanding is that it is up to the courts (ultimately the US Supreme Court) to interpret the Constitution, and define things like "Arms", "security", etc.. > I can’t own a nuclear weapon Careful what you wish for. If personal nuclear weapons ever become a thing, they too may be "Arms" "necessary to the security of a free State". It is hard to understand some rulings of the Supreme Court. At the time of writing the 2nd Amendment (December 15, 1791), the accepted "Arm" was a musket, with a muzzle velocity between 1425 fps (434 m/s) and 1700 fps (518 m/s) with a ¾” (19.05 mm) diameter ball (. 640 caliber), and an approximate weight of .9 oz (25.5 g) [1]. Today the court accepts that an ArmaLite AR-15 is an "Arm", with a muzzle velocity of 3,300 ft/s (1,006 m/s) using a .223 Remington cartridge with a 55 g FMJ bullet [2]. The momentum of the AR-15 round is therefore approx 55,330 gm/s compared to 13,209 gm/s for the musket ball (ie more than 4 times greater). Too many American shooters make the mistake of thinking these modern "lightweight" weapons translate into less lethality, but it is the increased momentum from higher muzzle velocities that does the devastating damage to soft tissue and bone. Take a look at the X-ray of a leg showing a bullet wound delivered by an assault rifle used in combat compared to an X-ray of a leg that sustained a bullet wound from a low-energy bullet, inflicted by a weapon like a handgun in Philadelphia. [3]. The trauma surgeons of the 19 children killed in the Robb Elementary massacre reported "They were so pulverized, he said, that they could be identified only by their clothing." [4] [0] https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-2/ https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-2/ [1] https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/15740773.2019.1634914?journalCode=yjca20 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/15740773.2019.16... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.223_Remington https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.223_Remington [3] https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/04/health/parkland-shooting-victims-ar15.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/04/health/parkland-shooting-... [4] https://khn.org/news/article/trauma-surgeons-uvalde-mass-shooting-gun-control/ https://khn.org/news/article/trauma-surgeons-uvalde-mass-sho...

stevenjgarner 4y ago
This does not even get into the expanding, or hollow-point, bullets used in the AR-15's to open upon impact and cause more damage to their targets. [0] [0] https://archive.ph/kCfK4#selection-781.2-784.0 https://archive.ph/kCfK4#selection-781.2-784.0