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"the low price of € 169 a month and € 179 setup fee" Yikes. Although it is 80-core, 128GB, I suppose.

joyfylbanana 4y ago
It is not that pricy if you look at the beefiest intel/amd machines. However you really have to get better performance from these to justify the price. Unless core count is somehow more important to the specific use case.
- rakoo 4y ago
  I suppose a simple server with very little computing (web, irc, stuff like that) should benefit from this
dx034 4y ago
Much cheaper than a comparable x64 machine. But only if you can use 80 cores.
- pjerem 4y ago
  Using 80 (or x) cores is pretty easy in any web (or network) workload where non blocking multi threading is the norm.
adrian_b 4y ago
The prices seem reasonable for a dedicated server. That means a little above EUR 4000 for 2 years, which is around the minimum that would be paid for a server with Epyc or Xeon of similar capacity (when you assemble it yourself, at Dell or HP it would be much more expensive). The equivalence with Epyc/Xeon also depends a lot on the intended applications, for scientific computing a 32 cores/64 threads Epyc/Xeon might have a similar performance, while for a Web server or database server a 64 cores/128 threads Epyc might be needed to exceed the performance of the 80-core Altra CPU, and a server like that might cost as much as 4 years of renting. So if you buy your own server and you use it for at least 5 years, then you would certainly spend much less than when renting. However, renting a server like this can cost less when you are not certain over long-term perspectives and it also has the advantage that there is no large one-time payment.
- moonchrome 4y ago
  You're comparing price of buying vs renting with power/network/etc. included in cost ?
  - adrian_b 4y ago
    I have just compared the price of buying. Adding the electrical energy cost will tip the balance towards renting, but the energy cost varies a lot from place to place. For a server so expensive it is likely that the energy cost over its lifetime will be a relatively small fraction of the buying price. The energy cost becomes much more important for those who buy 1000 servers at heavily discounted prices. The price for the Internet link can vary a lot and I do not think that it is included in the rental price quoted above. I believe that it will be paid separately, depending on requirements, and it is likely that it would not differ much from what you would pay when having your own server.
    - xuki 4y ago
      What you're describing is colocation and it's not cheap. Hetzner also take care of the hardware for you, if there is anything wrong with hardware they fix it.
      - adrian_b 4y ago
        If someone needs colocation, i.e. the rental of a space for the server, then that will of course increase the likelihood that renting a server is more advantageous than buying a server. However there are many who have their own server rooms, so they do not need to rent any extra space for a server.
    - moonchrome 4y ago
      From what I understand the 1GB/s uncapped internet connection is included in price.

It is not that pricy if you look at the beefiest intel/amd machines. However you really have to get better performance from these to justify the price. Unless core count is somehow more important to the specific use case.

rakoo 4y ago
I suppose a simple server with very little computing (web, irc, stuff like that) should benefit from this

dx034 4y ago

Much cheaper than a comparable x64 machine. But only if you can use 80 cores.

pjerem 4y ago
Using 80 (or x) cores is pretty easy in any web (or network) workload where non blocking multi threading is the norm.

adrian_b 4y ago

The prices seem reasonable for a dedicated server. That means a little above EUR 4000 for 2 years, which is around the minimum that would be paid for a server with Epyc or Xeon of similar capacity (when you assemble it yourself, at Dell or HP it would be much more expensive). The equivalence with Epyc/Xeon also depends a lot on the intended applications, for scientific computing a 32 cores/64 threads Epyc/Xeon might have a similar performance, while for a Web server or database server a 64 cores/128 threads Epyc might be needed to exceed the performance of the 80-core Altra CPU, and a server like that might cost as much as 4 years of renting. So if you buy your own server and you use it for at least 5 years, then you would certainly spend much less than when renting. However, renting a server like this can cost less when you are not certain over long-term perspectives and it also has the advantage that there is no large one-time payment.

moonchrome 4y ago
You're comparing price of buying vs renting with power/network/etc. included in cost ?
- adrian_b 4y ago
  I have just compared the price of buying. Adding the electrical energy cost will tip the balance towards renting, but the energy cost varies a lot from place to place. For a server so expensive it is likely that the energy cost over its lifetime will be a relatively small fraction of the buying price. The energy cost becomes much more important for those who buy 1000 servers at heavily discounted prices. The price for the Internet link can vary a lot and I do not think that it is included in the rental price quoted above. I believe that it will be paid separately, depending on requirements, and it is likely that it would not differ much from what you would pay when having your own server.
  - xuki 4y ago
    What you're describing is colocation and it's not cheap. Hetzner also take care of the hardware for you, if there is anything wrong with hardware they fix it.
    - adrian_b 4y ago
      If someone needs colocation, i.e. the rental of a space for the server, then that will of course increase the likelihood that renting a server is more advantageous than buying a server. However there are many who have their own server rooms, so they do not need to rent any extra space for a server.
  - moonchrome 4y ago
    From what I understand the 1GB/s uncapped internet connection is included in price.