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Maybe Apple had a sinister plan here... First, they make all of their own Apple gear's bluetooth work really well with other Apple gear (which they generally do

Maybe Apple had a sinister plan here... First, they make all of their own Apple gear's bluetooth work really well with other Apple gear (which they generally do). Then get rid of the cables, and everyone else will copy Apple because that seems to be what other companies do. But everyone else's bluetooth implementations suck (which they generally do), so people think that Android/Samsung/etc aren't as good as Apple which Just Works(TM), thus slowly exacting their revenge on the copycats and/or steering more sales towards Apple.

ajdude 4y ago
> which they generally do Every delayed zoom meeting I’ve been in due to AirPods not pairing correctly would disagree with that sentiment.
stkdump 4y ago
I dunno, people here report having problems with iPhones pairing to their cars. I never had a problem with Android phones pairing with my car. Or with my soundcores. As matter of fact, it works so much better, that even though my phone still has a 3.5mm, never thought I would have to use it and would be quite ok if my next phone came without. Back before I had my first soundcores I would always be annoyed with the cord rubbing against my cloths whenever I move, creating noise. And not having to deal with the cord when I put them on/off, etc. It is such a quality of live improvement, easily one of the biggest improvements in recent years.
- NikolaNovak 4y ago
  I think Bluetooth is a different experience for different people. Couple of questions that may help bridge the gap: Do you have other people with cell phones who regularly pair to your car? (this is my pain point - I am getting ready to take kids to school, but minivan pairs to my wife's phone at home; or conversely, my wife is going out for groceries, but instead of pairing to her phone that's in the car, minivan pairs up with my phone 30ft and one floor up, and TAKES OVER my own bluetooth headset, so now she's hearing my work call in the car as she drives away, and everybody on the call is hearing my screaming kids, while I'm wondering why everybody has turned silent :P ). Do other people pair with your soundcores; do you have multitude of headphones you pair with? (I have multiple content devices - work iPhone, personal galaxy note, and couple of tablets; conversely, I have a work boom headset as well as entertainment headphones; and then we throw my wife into the mix. Neither Android nor iPhone make us feel easily in control of what's happening). What's your experience pairing with friends' cars, and home entertainment devices via bluetooth, or a net-new device? (it's a whole other fun party drinking game trying to join to another person's home devices! Devices may have meaningless names that are not indicative of what they are, or they may need to be in some special mode to be discoverable, some may require pins some don't, it's hard to confirm which side should initiate, some will show as an address until you click them at which point they'll become a name but you realize you took over neighbour's movie, etc etc etc! :) If there's a way to create a priority list, a automatic connect or manual connect list, or create any kind of sophisticated rules for Bluetooth, I'm not aware of it.
- neutronicus 4y ago
  Oh, I've got problems pairing my Android phone to my car. Well, not "pairing", but like 4 out of 5 times, the phone thinks it's outputting to the car's bluetooth, but is actually playing out of the phone speaker, and doesn't start outputting to the car until I switch the output from bluetooth to phone speaker and back again. And for some reason the Spotify app never implemented the thingie that lets you switch outputs, so I have to switch to a podcast app, do this little dance (treating my wife and kid to a little snippet of podcast), and then go to Spotify and play music.
- askvictor 4y ago
  My point is that Apple products work (almost) perfectly with other Apple products. Apple don't make cars (yet); the market there that they probably care about is probably handled by CarPlay.
_fat_santa 4y ago
I'm honestly shocked how good of a job Apple did on their AirPods. When they first came out I thought it was an expensive gimmick, but when they released the Pro's I bought in and they became my favorite Apple product of all time. At least for me, the reliability of the connection as well as being able to do a quick "handoff" from my iPhone to my Mac to take a call is a gamechanger. Also the spacial audio feature is probably one of the best overlooked features of the AirPods, the depth of sound you get with it enabled is truly incredible given what you are listening on. When I discovered that feature I pretty much re-listened to my entire Spotify library, listening to songs I've heard hundreds of times before, I picked up sounds I never heard previously. For $200, what a freaking package.
- NikolaNovak 4y ago
  I've heard consistent excellent things about AirPods in terms of connectivity and listening experience for the owner :) Let me be the annoying one to say that they can negatively contribute to a team meeting experience (which fair enough, isn't what they're designed for - but what many people use them for, not just in a pinch but as primary day-long mechanism). There's only so much software can do to mitigate the fact it's an omnidirectional microphone far away from one's mouth, as opposed to focused microphone 2cm from mouth. E.g. literally yesterday, we thought our colleague was in a hurricane in Nova Scotia. Turns out, after we eventually asked and we were all nerdy enough to pause and troubleshoot :P, he was at home during a heat wave; his line was quiet when he didn't speak, but when he spoke, the A/C noise came overwhelmingly from his line; making it appear he's experiencing massive intermittent gusts. With airpods (or any other non-boom microphone - Airpods indeed are best of the breed, this is not their issue), we always know if person is walking/moving (wind noise going over microphone while they're speaking), or in a car, or eating, or around kids, etc. With the Plantronics boom headset (which is our team's go-to set, there's another good Jabra one I think a few of us use), nobody has any idea if we are in the car, or walking, or quietly in the office. That boom microphone makes a massive, massive hardware physical difference that software struggles to overcome without penalty somewhere in the chain.
  - sgarrity 4y ago

ajdude 4y ago

> which they generally do Every delayed zoom meeting I’ve been in due to AirPods not pairing correctly would disagree with that sentiment.

stkdump 4y ago

I dunno, people here report having problems with iPhones pairing to their cars. I never had a problem with Android phones pairing with my car. Or with my soundcores. As matter of fact, it works so much better, that even though my phone still has a 3.5mm, never thought I would have to use it and would be quite ok if my next phone came without. Back before I had my first soundcores I would always be annoyed with the cord rubbing against my cloths whenever I move, creating noise. And not having to deal with the cord when I put them on/off, etc. It is such a quality of live improvement, easily one of the biggest improvements in recent years.

NikolaNovak 4y ago
I think Bluetooth is a different experience for different people. Couple of questions that may help bridge the gap: Do you have other people with cell phones who regularly pair to your car? (this is my pain point - I am getting ready to take kids to school, but minivan pairs to my wife's phone at home; or conversely, my wife is going out for groceries, but instead of pairing to her phone that's in the car, minivan pairs up with my phone 30ft and one floor up, and TAKES OVER my own bluetooth headset, so now she's hearing my work call in the car as she drives away, and everybody on the call is hearing my screaming kids, while I'm wondering why everybody has turned silent :P ). Do other people pair with your soundcores; do you have multitude of headphones you pair with? (I have multiple content devices - work iPhone, personal galaxy note, and couple of tablets; conversely, I have a work boom headset as well as entertainment headphones; and then we throw my wife into the mix. Neither Android nor iPhone make us feel easily in control of what's happening). What's your experience pairing with friends' cars, and home entertainment devices via bluetooth, or a net-new device? (it's a whole other fun party drinking game trying to join to another person's home devices! Devices may have meaningless names that are not indicative of what they are, or they may need to be in some special mode to be discoverable, some may require pins some don't, it's hard to confirm which side should initiate, some will show as an address until you click them at which point they'll become a name but you realize you took over neighbour's movie, etc etc etc! :) If there's a way to create a priority list, a automatic connect or manual connect list, or create any kind of sophisticated rules for Bluetooth, I'm not aware of it.
neutronicus 4y ago
Oh, I've got problems pairing my Android phone to my car. Well, not "pairing", but like 4 out of 5 times, the phone thinks it's outputting to the car's bluetooth, but is actually playing out of the phone speaker, and doesn't start outputting to the car until I switch the output from bluetooth to phone speaker and back again. And for some reason the Spotify app never implemented the thingie that lets you switch outputs, so I have to switch to a podcast app, do this little dance (treating my wife and kid to a little snippet of podcast), and then go to Spotify and play music.
askvictor 4y ago
My point is that Apple products work (almost) perfectly with other Apple products. Apple don't make cars (yet); the market there that they probably care about is probably handled by CarPlay.

_fat_santa 4y ago

I'm honestly shocked how good of a job Apple did on their AirPods. When they first came out I thought it was an expensive gimmick, but when they released the Pro's I bought in and they became my favorite Apple product of all time. At least for me, the reliability of the connection as well as being able to do a quick "handoff" from my iPhone to my Mac to take a call is a gamechanger. Also the spacial audio feature is probably one of the best overlooked features of the AirPods, the depth of sound you get with it enabled is truly incredible given what you are listening on. When I discovered that feature I pretty much re-listened to my entire Spotify library, listening to songs I've heard hundreds of times before, I picked up sounds I never heard previously. For $200, what a freaking package.

NikolaNovak 4y ago
I've heard consistent excellent things about AirPods in terms of connectivity and listening experience for the owner :) Let me be the annoying one to say that they can negatively contribute to a team meeting experience (which fair enough, isn't what they're designed for - but what many people use them for, not just in a pinch but as primary day-long mechanism). There's only so much software can do to mitigate the fact it's an omnidirectional microphone far away from one's mouth, as opposed to focused microphone 2cm from mouth. E.g. literally yesterday, we thought our colleague was in a hurricane in Nova Scotia. Turns out, after we eventually asked and we were all nerdy enough to pause and troubleshoot :P, he was at home during a heat wave; his line was quiet when he didn't speak, but when he spoke, the A/C noise came overwhelmingly from his line; making it appear he's experiencing massive intermittent gusts. With airpods (or any other non-boom microphone - Airpods indeed are best of the breed, this is not their issue), we always know if person is walking/moving (wind noise going over microphone while they're speaking), or in a car, or eating, or around kids, etc. With the Plantronics boom headset (which is our team's go-to set, there's another good Jabra one I think a few of us use), nobody has any idea if we are in the car, or walking, or quietly in the office. That boom microphone makes a massive, massive hardware physical difference that software struggles to overcome without penalty somewhere in the chain.
- sgarrity 4y ago