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Honest question: Would somebody at this "level" be better than good at something like StarCraft ? Noted that SC takes more than "just strategy" i.e micro comes

Honest question: Would somebody at this "level" be better than good at something like StarCraft ? Noted that SC takes more than "just strategy" i.e micro comes to mind. Like I would pay good money to see Serral Vs Magnus, maybe after some coaching sessions with Harstem ? :D ? EDIT: Just out of curiosity will there be anything else that someone at this level is "exceptional" good at besides chess ?

haunter 4y ago
He held the number 1 spot in the Fantasy Premier League for a time so yes https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/dec/16/chess-champion-magnus-carlsen-top-of-world-fantasy-football-rankings-premier-league https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/dec/16/chess-champion...
- rawoke083600 4y ago
  Oh interesting ! I didn't know that !
matharmin 4y ago
There is not that much overlap between skills required for chess and StarCraft. Being good at one may perhaps correlate with having some natural talent in the other, but experience in the specific game would matter a lot more.
inkblotuniverse 4y ago
I'd love to see that.
__s 4y ago
Magnus has been doing alright in poker, tho the volatility makes it harder to accurately measure what his level is there Pitting him against a pro StarCraft player would be a joke tho. For reference, Nina is able to reach 4800 MMR worker rushing every game. The mechanics alone would take a couple years of dedicated practice
rollcat 4y ago
"Good" as in, maybe reach GM? Quite likely, although being in GM already makes you a statistical outlier (200 slots per region in a player base of hundreds of thousands). Good enough to challenge a pro? You're seriously underestimating how much hard work the pros are putting in to play at their level - on top of the insane mechanical skill, game knowledge, and experience. Part of the skillset is obviously transferrable to other RTS games (big chunk of the AoE4 ladder was dominated by SC2 GMs early after launch), but playing (and staying) at pro level in SC2 requires much more - it requires consistency. Serral has 7.5K MMR not because he's been taking 20 MMR off a 7.4K player (because there are no 7.4K players), he has 7.5K MMR because he took 1 MMR from 6K players a couple thousand times. 6K is like what, top 50 GM? My bet in Serral v Magnus would be X:0 in a best of (X*2)+1, for any X the players would be willing to suffer through. (Sorry if my numbers are a bit inexact, the new season just started and GM is not open yet.)
- bena 4y ago
  Yeah. The live element brings something else to the table. It's not only knowing what to do, but being able to execute. I've played Starcraft off and on, mostly through the Brood War days, and never super competitively. My friends and I had a standing Friday night game we'd play. We were ok. My brother-in-law came to stay with us for a while and he had never played Starcraft before but wanted to try it out. So I said, sure, we can 2v2 the computer so you can get a handle on things. We'll play Terran since it's the most like Warcraft. He told me he's played Age of Empires, he knows what RTSs are like. He'll be fine, he wanted to 1v1. I asked him if he was sure because Starcraft was a much faster game than AoE. He said he was sure, it would be fine. So we played. I played a pretty standard build order, sent out my 10th/11th worker as a scout, found his base, saw he was still on his initial set of workers and building a barracks with one of them. So I built my second base on his expansion spot, got it up to speed, built a couple of barracks, and a couple of machine shops, cranked out some marines, medics, and siege tanks, and to top it off, I build a starport and some drop ships. Loaded up the squad and dropped them behind his mineral line, obliterated his economy, then rolled through his base.
  - rollcat 4y ago
epolanski 4y ago
Magnus would do well if he applied to anything involving math and calculations. SC has a sane dose of reflexes and micro management.
Lapsa 4y ago
no, dude. it would take at least couple years of intense training for Serral v Magnus to be somewhat interesting
drexlspivey 4y ago
Nepo is an ex professional Dota player
- b0afc375b5 4y ago
  Now that's a fun fact! As a dota2 enthusiast on a previous life this is so exciting to learn. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Nepomniachtchi#Video_gaming https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Nepomniachtchi#Video_gam...
hnfong 4y ago
Not sure chess players would be able to do 300+ apm though....
- 8note 4y ago
  you should see fast over the board play. Within a bullet game though https://lichess.org/forum/general-chess-discussion/most-moves-in-a-10-bullet-game https://lichess.org/forum/general-chess-discussion/most-move... looks like 100apm isn't far off, and that includes having the opponent make moves inbetween
anthonypasq 4y ago
i imagine that being good as chess is a huge predictor of being good at pretty much all other strategy games. However, there is too much of a focus on mechanical skill in starcraft for him to overcome with strategy. I think a better choice would be something like Magic the Gathering or other card games. I have no doubt he would end up dominating those if he became dedicated.

haunter 4y ago

He held the number 1 spot in the Fantasy Premier League for a time so yes https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/dec/16/chess-champion-magnus-carlsen-top-of-world-fantasy-football-rankings-premier-league https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/dec/16/chess-champion...

rawoke083600 4y ago
Oh interesting ! I didn't know that !

matharmin 4y ago

There is not that much overlap between skills required for chess and StarCraft. Being good at one may perhaps correlate with having some natural talent in the other, but experience in the specific game would matter a lot more.

inkblotuniverse 4y ago

I'd love to see that.

__s 4y ago

Magnus has been doing alright in poker, tho the volatility makes it harder to accurately measure what his level is there Pitting him against a pro StarCraft player would be a joke tho. For reference, Nina is able to reach 4800 MMR worker rushing every game. The mechanics alone would take a couple years of dedicated practice

rollcat 4y ago

"Good" as in, maybe reach GM? Quite likely, although being in GM already makes you a statistical outlier (200 slots per region in a player base of hundreds of thousands). Good enough to challenge a pro? You're seriously underestimating how much hard work the pros are putting in to play at their level - on top of the insane mechanical skill, game knowledge, and experience. Part of the skillset is obviously transferrable to other RTS games (big chunk of the AoE4 ladder was dominated by SC2 GMs early after launch), but playing (and staying) at pro level in SC2 requires much more - it requires consistency. Serral has 7.5K MMR not because he's been taking 20 MMR off a 7.4K player (because there are no 7.4K players), he has 7.5K MMR because he took 1 MMR from 6K players a couple thousand times. 6K is like what, top 50 GM? My bet in Serral v Magnus would be X:0 in a best of (X*2)+1, for any X the players would be willing to suffer through. (Sorry if my numbers are a bit inexact, the new season just started and GM is not open yet.)

bena 4y ago
Yeah. The live element brings something else to the table. It's not only knowing what to do, but being able to execute. I've played Starcraft off and on, mostly through the Brood War days, and never super competitively. My friends and I had a standing Friday night game we'd play. We were ok. My brother-in-law came to stay with us for a while and he had never played Starcraft before but wanted to try it out. So I said, sure, we can 2v2 the computer so you can get a handle on things. We'll play Terran since it's the most like Warcraft. He told me he's played Age of Empires, he knows what RTSs are like. He'll be fine, he wanted to 1v1. I asked him if he was sure because Starcraft was a much faster game than AoE. He said he was sure, it would be fine. So we played. I played a pretty standard build order, sent out my 10th/11th worker as a scout, found his base, saw he was still on his initial set of workers and building a barracks with one of them. So I built my second base on his expansion spot, got it up to speed, built a couple of barracks, and a couple of machine shops, cranked out some marines, medics, and siege tanks, and to top it off, I build a starport and some drop ships. Loaded up the squad and dropped them behind his mineral line, obliterated his economy, then rolled through his base.
- rollcat 4y ago

epolanski 4y ago

Magnus would do well if he applied to anything involving math and calculations. SC has a sane dose of reflexes and micro management.

Lapsa 4y ago

no, dude. it would take at least couple years of intense training for Serral v Magnus to be somewhat interesting

drexlspivey 4y ago

Nepo is an ex professional Dota player

b0afc375b5 4y ago
Now that's a fun fact! As a dota2 enthusiast on a previous life this is so exciting to learn. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Nepomniachtchi#Video_gaming https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Nepomniachtchi#Video_gam...

hnfong 4y ago

Not sure chess players would be able to do 300+ apm though....

8note 4y ago
you should see fast over the board play. Within a bullet game though https://lichess.org/forum/general-chess-discussion/most-moves-in-a-10-bullet-game https://lichess.org/forum/general-chess-discussion/most-move... looks like 100apm isn't far off, and that includes having the opponent make moves inbetween

anthonypasq 4y ago

i imagine that being good as chess is a huge predictor of being good at pretty much all other strategy games. However, there is too much of a focus on mechanical skill in starcraft for him to overcome with strategy. I think a better choice would be something like Magic the Gathering or other card games. I have no doubt he would end up dominating those if he became dedicated.