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60k gives you ~3200€/month, which allows you to rent kinda easily a 30m² apartment in Paris or banlieue prochaine (suburbs) - even better if you go further out.

60k gives you ~3200€/month, which allows you to rent kinda easily a 30m² apartment in Paris or banlieue prochaine (suburbs) - even better if you go further out. In addition very few people commute with a car in Paris, most people use public transportation (usually up to 1.5 hours if you leave really far from the city), which costs 75€/month and by law if you have a CDI (Contract of indeterminate employment) it's half payed by the employer (IDK if it applies to other forms of employment, but it's a fair assumption). Of course if you live somewhere else than Paris it's even better, and in every case you also count in universal healthcare.

junofan 4y ago
Freshman interns make like double that.
vladvasiliu 4y ago
> 60k gives you ~3200€/month, which allows you to rent kinda easily a 30m² apartment in Paris or banlieue prochaine (suburbs) Easily does a lot of heavy lifting. I'd doubt you'd find a 30m2 in a nice neighborhood. Source: I looked last year. I was also specifically talking about buying. > Of course if you live somewhere else than Paris it's even better You'll probably be making less than 60k in that case, if you can even find a job… > and in every case you also count in universal healthcare. It depends. If you break your leg or something else critical, sure. If you need any other kind of care (hospital stay, glasses, or even some dental work) you better have a "mutuelle", which seems similar to the US model of employer provided health insurance, in that not everyone has it. Also, this comes out of your 60K, and part of it is included in the tax base, so it isn't completely "free".
- Bayart 4y ago
  > You'll probably be making less than 60k in that case, if you can even find a job… Paris has the largest job market but there still a lot of jobs around the country. In my area, which couldn't be further away from Paris, senior profiles take 65-80k gross/year.
- SettembreNero 4y ago
  > I'd doubt you'd find a 30m2 in a nice neighborhood meh. I make less than 3200 net/month and iI live inside a 33m2 2 pieces in a completely normal part of the 20eme, if I'd go to other still nice but cheaper parts of Paris/banlieue prochaine on the metro I could probably do even better. About buying, I've lived in places with an higher buying cost/rent price. But still, the market is mental and buying an house in the 2nd most expensive city in the world is completely different to live a decent life off a salary like 60k/year (which is medium-high compared to the average one in Paris, which is 48k/y). Of course more aristocratic arrondissements are much more expensive and the Paris house market is completely mental, but that's another issue. > You'll probably be making less than 60k in that case, if you can even find a job… Mah! Other sibling comment already addressed that > It depends. If you break your leg or something else critical, sure. If you need any other kind of care (hospital stay, glasses, or even some dental work) you better have a "mutuelle", which seems similar to the US model of employer provided health insurance, in that not everyone has it. Also, this comes out of your 60K, and part of it is included in the tax base, so it isn't completely "free". It's mandatory and for the bigger part payed by the employer. Anyway, that's the concept of "taxes" in Europe. One could argue that the US model of health insurance is better, but that's easily proven false.
schnitzelstoat 4y ago
30m2 is absolutely tiny though - that's 323 sqft. I should hope they can 'kinda easily' rent that. Remember that in the US most decent jobs (certainly any which would pay €60k in France) include health insurance so then universal healthcare isn't such a big benefit either.
- ChuckNorris89 4y ago
  >I should hope they can 'kinda easily' rent that. Ask the Germans, where you basically have to wait for someone to die, so that an apartment comes on the market for renting. Maybe it's better in France.
throwaway22032 4y ago
Okay, cool. So you work full time in a highly skilled career and you can afford to... rent a flat, as long as you keep working full time forever. That's.... nice, I guess?
- SettembreNero 4y ago
  > So you work full time and you can afford to... rent a flat fixed that for you. welcome to modern society :) (also, you kinda forget to realize that 60k is much higher than most of what skilled job positions currently offer, except for the tech bubble, where senior profiles in Europe - especially in Paris - make way more than 60k)
  - throwaway22032 4y ago
    Whatever, the point is, renting a flat is not some sort of fantastic lifestyle aspiration. "Congrats, you're not homeless!"

junofan 4y ago

Freshman interns make like double that.

vladvasiliu 4y ago

> 60k gives you ~3200€/month, which allows you to rent kinda easily a 30m² apartment in Paris or banlieue prochaine (suburbs) Easily does a lot of heavy lifting. I'd doubt you'd find a 30m2 in a nice neighborhood. Source: I looked last year. I was also specifically talking about buying. > Of course if you live somewhere else than Paris it's even better You'll probably be making less than 60k in that case, if you can even find a job… > and in every case you also count in universal healthcare. It depends. If you break your leg or something else critical, sure. If you need any other kind of care (hospital stay, glasses, or even some dental work) you better have a "mutuelle", which seems similar to the US model of employer provided health insurance, in that not everyone has it. Also, this comes out of your 60K, and part of it is included in the tax base, so it isn't completely "free".

Bayart 4y ago
> You'll probably be making less than 60k in that case, if you can even find a job… Paris has the largest job market but there still a lot of jobs around the country. In my area, which couldn't be further away from Paris, senior profiles take 65-80k gross/year.
SettembreNero 4y ago
> I'd doubt you'd find a 30m2 in a nice neighborhood meh. I make less than 3200 net/month and iI live inside a 33m2 2 pieces in a completely normal part of the 20eme, if I'd go to other still nice but cheaper parts of Paris/banlieue prochaine on the metro I could probably do even better. About buying, I've lived in places with an higher buying cost/rent price. But still, the market is mental and buying an house in the 2nd most expensive city in the world is completely different to live a decent life off a salary like 60k/year (which is medium-high compared to the average one in Paris, which is 48k/y). Of course more aristocratic arrondissements are much more expensive and the Paris house market is completely mental, but that's another issue. > You'll probably be making less than 60k in that case, if you can even find a job… Mah! Other sibling comment already addressed that > It depends. If you break your leg or something else critical, sure. If you need any other kind of care (hospital stay, glasses, or even some dental work) you better have a "mutuelle", which seems similar to the US model of employer provided health insurance, in that not everyone has it. Also, this comes out of your 60K, and part of it is included in the tax base, so it isn't completely "free". It's mandatory and for the bigger part payed by the employer. Anyway, that's the concept of "taxes" in Europe. One could argue that the US model of health insurance is better, but that's easily proven false.

schnitzelstoat 4y ago

30m2 is absolutely tiny though - that's 323 sqft. I should hope they can 'kinda easily' rent that. Remember that in the US most decent jobs (certainly any which would pay €60k in France) include health insurance so then universal healthcare isn't such a big benefit either.

ChuckNorris89 4y ago
>I should hope they can 'kinda easily' rent that. Ask the Germans, where you basically have to wait for someone to die, so that an apartment comes on the market for renting. Maybe it's better in France.

throwaway22032 4y ago

Okay, cool. So you work full time in a highly skilled career and you can afford to... rent a flat, as long as you keep working full time forever. That's.... nice, I guess?

SettembreNero 4y ago
> So you work full time and you can afford to... rent a flat fixed that for you. welcome to modern society :) (also, you kinda forget to realize that 60k is much higher than most of what skilled job positions currently offer, except for the tech bubble, where senior profiles in Europe - especially in Paris - make way more than 60k)
- throwaway22032 4y ago
  Whatever, the point is, renting a flat is not some sort of fantastic lifestyle aspiration. "Congrats, you're not homeless!"