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As a former navy nuke: no. I don’t want commercial vessels registered in Nosafetystandardsland to have nuclear power. Fuck no. It’s also not even a little econ

by ok_dad 4y ago

As a former navy nuke: no. I don’t want commercial vessels registered in Nosafetystandardsland to have nuclear power. Fuck no. It’s also not even a little economical.

pxmpxm 4y ago
>vessels registered in Nosafetystandardsland Ha will have to borrow that
- selimthegrim 4y ago
  It’s where the clouds from cloud-cuckoo land dump all their rain and the man with message in cleft stick returns.
ianai 4y ago
- sbierwagen 4y ago
  >Don’t have them be commercial. So the proposal here is to... nationalize all ocean freight?
  - ianai 4y ago
    Sounds similar to the Marshall plan don’t it?
- krallja 4y ago
  > Don’t have them be commercial What other purpose do you believe shipping vessels to serve?
  - the_only_law 4y ago
    It's just a troll.
erentz 4y ago
Well by definition if nosafetystandardsland decides to build a nuclear ship you won’t have a say in it anyway. It just won’t get to enter ports in safetystandardsland. For nuclear shipping to become viable a reasonable set of trading countries would need to come together and set the standards that it’ll operate under.
krasin 4y ago
>As a former navy nuke: no. I don’t want commercial vessels registered in Nosafetystandardsland to have nuclear power. Fuck no. These nuclear vessels will likely have to be registered in countries with nuclear power already deployed. Nobody will allow Panama or Costa Rica to have an atomic ship - I am with you on that. >It’s also not even a little economical. If somebody is ready to put money to try making it economical, I would be cheering for them. Just put transparent rules & regulations and wait. If somebody comes up with a safe & profitable atomic ship, we all win.
- ok_dad 4y ago
  The hard part is the very highly enriched uranium. To make a compact and light naval reactor you need very pure U-235. I am not allowed to even say how pure, but trust it costs obscene amounts to do so. If it could be done safely I’d be for it, but I’m not going to hold my breath.
  - krasin 4y ago
    >To make a compact and light naval reactor you need very pure U-235 Yes, with the reactor designs used by US Navy. Akademik Lomonosov ([1]), a floating nuclear plant, uses "low-enriched uranium (LEU) fuel, with 14.1% average enrichment, with a fuel cycle of 3 years". Commercial atomic container ships will likely be closer to Akademik Lomonosov than the US Navy fleet. And that's fine. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akademik_Lomonosov https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akademik_Lomonosov
    - ok_dad 4y ago
      Cool, yea it looks like the "KLT-40S" reactor can do LEU, so at least that part is a bit cheaper. I still think it's not a great idea, nor would it still be economical except for maybe some very specific applications, but perhaps it's more realistic than I thought. Maybe you could have a very large ship, larger than could go into a port, and it could perhaps ferry cargo around the world and as it reaches ports it offloads the cargo onto some waiting barges to be tugged into port? I imagine you would need to ship a LOT of goods FAST to make it worthwhile to use nuclear.

by ok_dad 4y ago

As a former navy nuke: no. I don’t want commercial vessels registered in Nosafetystandardsland to have nuclear power. Fuck no. It’s also not even a little economical.

pxmpxm 4y ago

>vessels registered in Nosafetystandardsland Ha will have to borrow that

selimthegrim 4y ago
It’s where the clouds from cloud-cuckoo land dump all their rain and the man with message in cleft stick returns.

ianai 4y ago

sbierwagen 4y ago
>Don’t have them be commercial. So the proposal here is to... nationalize all ocean freight?
- ianai 4y ago
  Sounds similar to the Marshall plan don’t it?
krallja 4y ago
> Don’t have them be commercial What other purpose do you believe shipping vessels to serve?
- the_only_law 4y ago
  It's just a troll.

erentz 4y ago

Well by definition if nosafetystandardsland decides to build a nuclear ship you won’t have a say in it anyway. It just won’t get to enter ports in safetystandardsland. For nuclear shipping to become viable a reasonable set of trading countries would need to come together and set the standards that it’ll operate under.

krasin 4y ago

>As a former navy nuke: no. I don’t want commercial vessels registered in Nosafetystandardsland to have nuclear power. Fuck no. These nuclear vessels will likely have to be registered in countries with nuclear power already deployed. Nobody will allow Panama or Costa Rica to have an atomic ship - I am with you on that. >It’s also not even a little economical. If somebody is ready to put money to try making it economical, I would be cheering for them. Just put transparent rules & regulations and wait. If somebody comes up with a safe & profitable atomic ship, we all win.

ok_dad 4y ago
The hard part is the very highly enriched uranium. To make a compact and light naval reactor you need very pure U-235. I am not allowed to even say how pure, but trust it costs obscene amounts to do so. If it could be done safely I’d be for it, but I’m not going to hold my breath.
- krasin 4y ago
  >To make a compact and light naval reactor you need very pure U-235 Yes, with the reactor designs used by US Navy. Akademik Lomonosov ([1]), a floating nuclear plant, uses "low-enriched uranium (LEU) fuel, with 14.1% average enrichment, with a fuel cycle of 3 years". Commercial atomic container ships will likely be closer to Akademik Lomonosov than the US Navy fleet. And that's fine. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akademik_Lomonosov https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akademik_Lomonosov
  - ok_dad 4y ago
    Cool, yea it looks like the "KLT-40S" reactor can do LEU, so at least that part is a bit cheaper. I still think it's not a great idea, nor would it still be economical except for maybe some very specific applications, but perhaps it's more realistic than I thought. Maybe you could have a very large ship, larger than could go into a port, and it could perhaps ferry cargo around the world and as it reaches ports it offloads the cargo onto some waiting barges to be tugged into port? I imagine you would need to ship a LOT of goods FAST to make it worthwhile to use nuclear.