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1. Sell parts. It's even more profitable. 2. Tracking and surveillance in e-bikes is the last thing I want. 3. So you get an alarm that the frame of your hike

by akomtu 4y ago

1. Sell parts. It's even more profitable. 2. Tracking and surveillance in e-bikes is the last thing I want. 3. So you get an alarm that the frame of your hike showed up in a remote warehouse, 80 miles from city. Police won't bother and you'll be wise to not go there by yourself. 4. More funding to police, in other words? Theft won't investigate itself.

ETH_start 4y ago
>>4. More funding to police, in other words? Theft won't investigate itself. Yes, and more funding for prosecutors and correctional officers. But it doesn't take much enforcement and prosecution to establish deterrence.
- ehnto 4y ago
  What's enforcement for bike theft look like in your mind?
  - dylan604 4y ago
    If it's my bike? Life without parole. If it's your bike? Sorry for your loss dude!
  - ETH_start 4y ago
    I haven't given this careful deliberations, so I wouldn't stand by this yet, just eyeballing it: Two months in prison, preferrably with penal labor. Repeat offences leading to longer sentences, including several years expulsion from major population centers. Let's see how their bike stealing goes over in a small town. While I think escalating punishments for repeat offenders is appropriate, the key to stopping anti-social behavior is not severe sentences. It's consistency in catching/punishing these acts: https://youtu.be/p6xVGr9kVFM https://youtu.be/p6xVGr9kVFM
    - ehnto 4y ago
      Yep I am in agreeance with your last paragraph, that is where my curiosities were. How do you effectively catch bike thieves? I think it's infeasable to catch them in the act, it's just too easy for thieves to be discreet and out of the way. But maybe there are ways to catch them after the fact.
  - thereisnospork 4y ago
    > What's effective enforcement for bike theft look like in your mind? addition mine. Effective enforcement is consistent enforcement, even a 'minor' fine or weekend in jail is a sufficiently large stick but no stick is big enough if you don't actually hit anyone with it. What's the current clearance rate for bike theft? 1 per 10,000, if that? You could have a whole bike thieving career and never see the inside of a squad car let alone jail cell.
    - ehnto 4y ago
      This was where my head was going as well, how many people are actually caught? Barely any of the actual thieves I bet. I imagine the sales rings get busted sometimes. That video of casey neistat's where he steals a bike in front of a crowd, the three officers there had been NYC officers for 10 years and had never seen a bike thief amongst them.
  - kazinator 4y ago
    I push a red button (could be a virtual one on a touch screen) and a stolen bicycle explodes somewhere, into thousands of pieces of shrapnel. :)
  - zo1 4y ago
    Is that a difficult question, or is there some trick portion of it that we'll fall under if we answer? Just give the bike back, pay any damages, if it's gone, then pay the value of the bike, some jail time, community service, any/all of the above. This is not a hard problem: people are behaving like children, taking what is not theirs and breaking social agreements/boundaries. So treat them like children and do the adult equivalent of "get a spanking and say sorry, so you know not to do it again.".
    - ehnto 4y ago
      No trick, I was genuinely curious. I am surpised the answers are all punitive though. In my mind the issue is that it's simply hard to police in the first place. I think people are over-estimating the power of punishments as a deterrent. The logic is sound, but it relies on criminals being forward minded critical thinkers aware of the penalties, and that you caught them at all. Admittedly I have no data for my area to back these thoughts up, but punishments are only important if people are actually getting caught, and they are only a deterrent to those who care. People still steal cars all the time and that is grand theft.
      - evandijk70 4y ago
        I agree that the power of punishment as a deterrent is unclear, but your car example does not hold up, since there are a lot more bikes stolen than cars. Official reported thefts from the Netherlands [1](Note that the number of bike thefts is probably far higher than the official number): Car thefts: 8,670 Bike thefts: 60,010 [1] https://opendata.cbs.nl/#/CBS/nl/dataset/83651NED/table?searchKeywords=%20diefstalfiets https://opendata.cbs.nl/#/CBS/nl/dataset/83651NED/table?sear...
ceeplusplus 4y ago
Not just more funding, but prosecutors and DAs and judges who want to crack down on bike theft. If your bike is in somebody's house and you have a tracker showing it is, you should be able to get a search warrant. Police should be empowered and willing to help you get it.
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by akomtu 4y ago

ETH_start 4y ago

>>4. More funding to police, in other words? Theft won't investigate itself. Yes, and more funding for prosecutors and correctional officers. But it doesn't take much enforcement and prosecution to establish deterrence.

ehnto 4y ago
What's enforcement for bike theft look like in your mind?
- dylan604 4y ago
  If it's my bike? Life without parole. If it's your bike? Sorry for your loss dude!
- ETH_start 4y ago
  I haven't given this careful deliberations, so I wouldn't stand by this yet, just eyeballing it: Two months in prison, preferrably with penal labor. Repeat offences leading to longer sentences, including several years expulsion from major population centers. Let's see how their bike stealing goes over in a small town. While I think escalating punishments for repeat offenders is appropriate, the key to stopping anti-social behavior is not severe sentences. It's consistency in catching/punishing these acts: https://youtu.be/p6xVGr9kVFM https://youtu.be/p6xVGr9kVFM
  - ehnto 4y ago
    Yep I am in agreeance with your last paragraph, that is where my curiosities were. How do you effectively catch bike thieves? I think it's infeasable to catch them in the act, it's just too easy for thieves to be discreet and out of the way. But maybe there are ways to catch them after the fact.
- thereisnospork 4y ago
  > What's effective enforcement for bike theft look like in your mind? addition mine. Effective enforcement is consistent enforcement, even a 'minor' fine or weekend in jail is a sufficiently large stick but no stick is big enough if you don't actually hit anyone with it. What's the current clearance rate for bike theft? 1 per 10,000, if that? You could have a whole bike thieving career and never see the inside of a squad car let alone jail cell.
  - ehnto 4y ago
    This was where my head was going as well, how many people are actually caught? Barely any of the actual thieves I bet. I imagine the sales rings get busted sometimes. That video of casey neistat's where he steals a bike in front of a crowd, the three officers there had been NYC officers for 10 years and had never seen a bike thief amongst them.
- kazinator 4y ago
  I push a red button (could be a virtual one on a touch screen) and a stolen bicycle explodes somewhere, into thousands of pieces of shrapnel. :)
- zo1 4y ago
  Is that a difficult question, or is there some trick portion of it that we'll fall under if we answer? Just give the bike back, pay any damages, if it's gone, then pay the value of the bike, some jail time, community service, any/all of the above. This is not a hard problem: people are behaving like children, taking what is not theirs and breaking social agreements/boundaries. So treat them like children and do the adult equivalent of "get a spanking and say sorry, so you know not to do it again.".
  - ehnto 4y ago
    No trick, I was genuinely curious. I am surpised the answers are all punitive though. In my mind the issue is that it's simply hard to police in the first place. I think people are over-estimating the power of punishments as a deterrent. The logic is sound, but it relies on criminals being forward minded critical thinkers aware of the penalties, and that you caught them at all. Admittedly I have no data for my area to back these thoughts up, but punishments are only important if people are actually getting caught, and they are only a deterrent to those who care. People still steal cars all the time and that is grand theft.
    - evandijk70 4y ago
      I agree that the power of punishment as a deterrent is unclear, but your car example does not hold up, since there are a lot more bikes stolen than cars. Official reported thefts from the Netherlands [1](Note that the number of bike thefts is probably far higher than the official number): Car thefts: 8,670 Bike thefts: 60,010 [1] https://opendata.cbs.nl/#/CBS/nl/dataset/83651NED/table?searchKeywords=%20diefstalfiets https://opendata.cbs.nl/#/CBS/nl/dataset/83651NED/table?sear...

ceeplusplus 4y ago

Not just more funding, but prosecutors and DAs and judges who want to crack down on bike theft. If your bike is in somebody's house and you have a tracker showing it is, you should be able to get a search warrant. Police should be empowered and willing to help you get it.

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