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Yeah, it's suspect when people complain about getting judged for their views, then fail to state what the views are. It often turns out that the views in questi

Yeah, it's suspect when people complain about getting judged for their views, then fail to state what the views are. It often turns out that the views in question are something that people have good reason to disapprove of - racism, homophobia, transphobia, etc.

jwarden 4y ago
This seems like an example of judging somebody based on a trope.
- projectazorian 4y ago
  Sometimes tropes exist for a reason. After all, when someone says they think society judges certain views too harshly, it begs the question: which views?
  - jwarden 4y ago
    Well, for example, the view that gay marriage should be legal. Until very recently this view was judged very harshly by society. Many people who had this view were afraid to express it. Of those people who today complain about not feeling safe to express their views, some of them may be horrible racist people as you suggest, but others are advanced thinkers who will eventually convince most of us to change our views. That is how and why the morals of society change and evolve with every generation.
  - OOD 4y ago
    >Sometimes tropes exist for a reason. Is this post-irony? This is the exact same logic racists use.
    - projectazorian 4y ago
      No, it’s not the exact same logic, because I’m not discussing people’s immutable characteristics; I’m discussing communication styles, which are mutable, and the ideologies that tend to be associated with them, which are also mutable.
      - OOD 4y ago
        >No, it’s not the exact same logic, because I’m not discussing people’s immutable characteristics It's literally the exact same logic, because racists discuss people's mutable characteristics as well. >I’m discussing communication styles, which are mutable, and the ideologies that tend to be associated with them, which are also mutable. You literally just described "SPEAK ENGLISH" and "if only Black people spoke properly and wore their pants up above their waist" (both mutable characteristics). This has to be post-irony. Good troll.
OOD 4y ago
>Yeah, it's suspect when people complain about getting judged for their views, then fail to state what the views are. Not at all. Definitely not in the era of "cancel culture". >It often turns out that the views in question are something that people have good reason to disapprove of - racism, homophobia, transphobia, etc. It rarely turns out that the views in question are something that people have good reason to disapprove of - racism, homophobia, transphobia, etc. A few examples from past and current companies I've worked at: 1. Titling an apolitical presentation "Make Front-ends Great Again" caused several leftist activist employees to explode on Slack about fascist White supremacy culture. 2. "Believing" (this is an objective fact) that trans-women are biological male humans is hate speech and a firable offence. 3. Expressing the opinion that the company openly donating to shady BLM foundations[0], or any political group for that matter is not a good idea was shouted down as supporting the fascist, racist, White supremacist status quo. The list goes on. These basic examples are more than enough to get a target on your back, and possibly fired. [0] https://news.yahoo.com/black-lives-matter-suspends-online-185305692.html https://news.yahoo.com/black-lives-matter-suspends-online-18...

jwarden 4y ago

This seems like an example of judging somebody based on a trope.

projectazorian 4y ago
Sometimes tropes exist for a reason. After all, when someone says they think society judges certain views too harshly, it begs the question: which views?
- jwarden 4y ago
  Well, for example, the view that gay marriage should be legal. Until very recently this view was judged very harshly by society. Many people who had this view were afraid to express it. Of those people who today complain about not feeling safe to express their views, some of them may be horrible racist people as you suggest, but others are advanced thinkers who will eventually convince most of us to change our views. That is how and why the morals of society change and evolve with every generation.
- OOD 4y ago
  >Sometimes tropes exist for a reason. Is this post-irony? This is the exact same logic racists use.
  - projectazorian 4y ago
    No, it’s not the exact same logic, because I’m not discussing people’s immutable characteristics; I’m discussing communication styles, which are mutable, and the ideologies that tend to be associated with them, which are also mutable.
    - OOD 4y ago
      >No, it’s not the exact same logic, because I’m not discussing people’s immutable characteristics It's literally the exact same logic, because racists discuss people's mutable characteristics as well. >I’m discussing communication styles, which are mutable, and the ideologies that tend to be associated with them, which are also mutable. You literally just described "SPEAK ENGLISH" and "if only Black people spoke properly and wore their pants up above their waist" (both mutable characteristics). This has to be post-irony. Good troll.

OOD 4y ago

>Yeah, it's suspect when people complain about getting judged for their views, then fail to state what the views are. Not at all. Definitely not in the era of "cancel culture". >It often turns out that the views in question are something that people have good reason to disapprove of - racism, homophobia, transphobia, etc. It rarely turns out that the views in question are something that people have good reason to disapprove of - racism, homophobia, transphobia, etc. A few examples from past and current companies I've worked at: 1. Titling an apolitical presentation "Make Front-ends Great Again" caused several leftist activist employees to explode on Slack about fascist White supremacy culture. 2. "Believing" (this is an objective fact) that trans-women are biological male humans is hate speech and a firable offence. 3. Expressing the opinion that the company openly donating to shady BLM foundations[0], or any political group for that matter is not a good idea was shouted down as supporting the fascist, racist, White supremacist status quo. The list goes on. These basic examples are more than enough to get a target on your back, and possibly fired. [0] https://news.yahoo.com/black-lives-matter-suspends-online-185305692.html https://news.yahoo.com/black-lives-matter-suspends-online-18...