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The mobile first trend is being pushed in large part by millions of people from developing nations coming online who have no access to a PC or PC like device.

by kcexn 4y ago

CosmicShadow 4y ago
I think that is probably a big part, but a bigger part is 90% of people in first world countries (who have money to pay and are valuable to advertisers) have never known how to use a computer (too complicated/scary) and now they all have one in their pockets they are addicted to. And since they never used computers they aren't as immune to being scammed, ripped off and fooled with fake dreams as us who lived through it all for years.
- Karrot_Kream 4y ago
  What makes your conspiracy theory about addicted developed-nations computer users more likely than the fact that strictly more human beings live outside of developed countries than within them? Are there any priors here? Is this a question of revenue per user? Is it a matter of cultural affinity? Is there any reason at all to discount the theory of more humans in developing nations?
  - LargoLasskhyfv 4y ago
    Because mobile gadgetery started in the so called "first world", exposing the people there for a longer time to marketing.
  - wizofaus 4y ago
    A typical software development shop is still going to have more options for profitability primarily aiming at first world markets. And it's not even just because the customers have more money - regulatory challenges and difficulties navigating political realities in 3rd world countries make it hard to target new apps at such markets. My previous company had exactly that challenge - we focused not only on mobile- only but older/lower spec devices hoping to break into developing markets. They never succeeded and ended up releasing exclusively in Aus and UK, where many customers would actively prefer to use desktop-based interfaces.
    - kcexn 4y ago
      Many developing markets don't necessarily have devices that are much older or lower spec. Look at Malaysia, Singapore, India, China, Taiwan etc. Many people upwards of middle class in these places have good access to reasonable devices. Rather, they have different user behaviours and different needs. Success in these markets is about responding to customer needs locally, and not presuming that conventions, ideas, and designs that make sense in rich western countries make sense in those markets. I've seen some good arguments that GUI layouts should be completely reexamined in developing markets, because the realities of differing languages (top to bottom, or right to left reading), or differing conventions in the presentation of information (extremely dense, or extremely sparse relative to what we are used to) mean that many app GUI's are completely counter intuitive and difficult to use in these markets. Uber for example failed to succeed in India and Singapore because they couldn't adapt to the local markets need to pay in cash. Even though credit cards are available, many customers prefer to use cash. It was such a strong preference that they would rather not use Uber than pay for their taxis with credit cards.
      - wizofaus 4y ago
        We never even got past the regulatory hurdles and commerical agreements needed to launch at all. Btw I would hardly consider Singapore or Taiwan developing markets - we were targeting a few east African nations and had pretty good stats on what devices were common (hint: definitely not the latest iPhones!).
sake 4y ago
That but it's also pushed by superior availability. I don't know how many times I lay on my couch and do some information work on my phone instead of taking out my laptop and doing it there faster. Often the laptop is right next to me but it feels easier to pull out my phone instead of opening my laptop. I think it's mostly due to knowing that my phone is always with me. If I want to use my laptop, there's a possibility I have to physically move to get to it. So it's less work to go for my phone directly. This all made me realize how hooked up I am to my phone. I take it literally everywhere I go even inside my house.
- CosmicShadow 4y ago
  The pain and frustration from using a phone is enough to beat my laziness and actually make me just walk to a computer for most anything apart from mindless scrolling/consuming. Looking for food and need to use actual websites or order from one? Just get up and save yourself the frustration.

The mobile first trend is being pushed in large part by millions of people from developing nations coming online who have no access to a PC or PC like device.

by kcexn 4y ago

The mobile first trend is being pushed in large part by millions of people from developing nations coming online who have no access to a PC or PC like device.

CosmicShadow 4y ago

I think that is probably a big part, but a bigger part is 90% of people in first world countries (who have money to pay and are valuable to advertisers) have never known how to use a computer (too complicated/scary) and now they all have one in their pockets they are addicted to. And since they never used computers they aren't as immune to being scammed, ripped off and fooled with fake dreams as us who lived through it all for years.

Karrot_Kream 4y ago
What makes your conspiracy theory about addicted developed-nations computer users more likely than the fact that strictly more human beings live outside of developed countries than within them? Are there any priors here? Is this a question of revenue per user? Is it a matter of cultural affinity? Is there any reason at all to discount the theory of more humans in developing nations?
- LargoLasskhyfv 4y ago
  Because mobile gadgetery started in the so called "first world", exposing the people there for a longer time to marketing.
- wizofaus 4y ago
  A typical software development shop is still going to have more options for profitability primarily aiming at first world markets. And it's not even just because the customers have more money - regulatory challenges and difficulties navigating political realities in 3rd world countries make it hard to target new apps at such markets. My previous company had exactly that challenge - we focused not only on mobile- only but older/lower spec devices hoping to break into developing markets. They never succeeded and ended up releasing exclusively in Aus and UK, where many customers would actively prefer to use desktop-based interfaces.
  - kcexn 4y ago
    Many developing markets don't necessarily have devices that are much older or lower spec. Look at Malaysia, Singapore, India, China, Taiwan etc. Many people upwards of middle class in these places have good access to reasonable devices. Rather, they have different user behaviours and different needs. Success in these markets is about responding to customer needs locally, and not presuming that conventions, ideas, and designs that make sense in rich western countries make sense in those markets. I've seen some good arguments that GUI layouts should be completely reexamined in developing markets, because the realities of differing languages (top to bottom, or right to left reading), or differing conventions in the presentation of information (extremely dense, or extremely sparse relative to what we are used to) mean that many app GUI's are completely counter intuitive and difficult to use in these markets. Uber for example failed to succeed in India and Singapore because they couldn't adapt to the local markets need to pay in cash. Even though credit cards are available, many customers prefer to use cash. It was such a strong preference that they would rather not use Uber than pay for their taxis with credit cards.
    - wizofaus 4y ago
      We never even got past the regulatory hurdles and commerical agreements needed to launch at all. Btw I would hardly consider Singapore or Taiwan developing markets - we were targeting a few east African nations and had pretty good stats on what devices were common (hint: definitely not the latest iPhones!).

sake 4y ago

That but it's also pushed by superior availability. I don't know how many times I lay on my couch and do some information work on my phone instead of taking out my laptop and doing it there faster. Often the laptop is right next to me but it feels easier to pull out my phone instead of opening my laptop. I think it's mostly due to knowing that my phone is always with me. If I want to use my laptop, there's a possibility I have to physically move to get to it. So it's less work to go for my phone directly. This all made me realize how hooked up I am to my phone. I take it literally everywhere I go even inside my house.

CosmicShadow 4y ago
The pain and frustration from using a phone is enough to beat my laziness and actually make me just walk to a computer for most anything apart from mindless scrolling/consuming. Looking for food and need to use actual websites or order from one? Just get up and save yourself the frustration.