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you make rational arguments here, and i don't disagree. The issue is, there are no "cheap new cars", for any rational definition of cheap, as could be compared

by mbfg 4y ago

you make rational arguments here, and i don't disagree. The issue is, there are no "cheap new cars", for any rational definition of cheap, as could be compared to cars in the 80s. and while you don't need a movie theater experience, a car is much more a requirement for large segments of people. Sure you can get a used car, but the point of the article is a comparison to what you used to be able to have. i'd love to get a $12K 1985 "New Civic" now.

xyzzyz 4y ago
You can buy cheap used car. A 5 years old used car today will be nicer, more convenient, safer and more reliable than new Civic in 1985.
- mbfg 4y ago
  But now you are playing the lottery.
  - xyzzyz 4y ago
    Not any more than buying a new car in 1980s, especially American-made one.
    - mbfg 4y ago
      i had an 85 Honda CRX SI. cost me $12500. Got 45m/g. Lasted 250,000m, and still ran fine, but traded it in. I can't afford a Honda today.
      - xyzzyz 4y ago
        $12500 in 1985 is $35000 today. That's more expensive than MSRP of highest trim of 2022 Honda Civic, which is a better car than any 1985 Honda.
        mbfg 4y ago
        my salary hasn't increased 3 times in that time period.
rayiner 4y ago
A 1985 Honda Civic retailed at $7,295, or about $20,000 today. It was a 94 inch wheelbase hatchback with 60hp. A Kia Rio is similar today—a high quality Asian-built alternative brand—and starts at under $17,000. It’s got a 101 inch wheelbase and 120 horsepower.
- mbfg 4y ago
  Kia's are junk compared to hondas. That honda motor could last 400,000 miles. The Kia, maybe 150,000.
  - rayiner 4y ago
    That’s true today. But in 1985 Honda was an import brand competing on price. Today it’s much more of a premium brand offering higher quality and reliability.