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Please, show me your best HTML UI components and we will compare them to the native ones or even the Silverlight ones that are available (from Telerik, DevExpre

by WayneDB 15y ago

Please, show me your best HTML UI components and we will compare them to the native ones or even the Silverlight ones that are available (from Telerik, DevExpress, Infragistics, ComponentOne, etc) Can you even get a data grid that is half as powerful or has as robust an API as something like this? http://www.telerik.com/products/wpf/gridview.aspx http://www.telerik.com/products/wpf/gridview.aspx

frou_dh 15y ago
It does look powerful, but the font rendering is dire. So the browser gets at least one plus.
rbanffy 15y ago
Can't tell. It won't run on my computer. Which is the whole point. Gmail runs on my Mac, on my Linux machines, on my OpenSolaris server (actually, it runs OpenIndiana these days) and on my tablet. It would probably run just fine on my AIX boxes if I compiled Firefox or Chromium for them. If Google abandons it (but keep the servers running) it will continue to operate on newer computers and newer browsers until Google pulls the plug.
- xradionut 15y ago
  For a few decades people accessed email on text based terminals. There's plenty of applications with more complex UIs than email...
  - rbanffy 15y ago
    I have other applications with more complicated UI's also relying on HTML and AJAX and they work just fine. What kind of web applications do you have that would require Silverlight or something similar?
    - WayneDB 15y ago
      How about an email application that handles keyboard acceleration really well? This can be done easily with Silverlight (in or out of the browser), but not so much with HTML. That's why Gmail has crummy keyboard handling. In Thunderbird, I can tab my way around the entire interface if I want to or use keyboard shortcuts. I'm sure the Gmail team could do a bunch of hacks to fix this, but that's the problem. You have to hack-up everything to make HTML work well as an application platform.
ceejayoz 15y ago
I don't see anything particularly remarkable there. http://www.trirand.com/blog/jqgrid/jqgrid.html http://www.trirand.com/blog/jqgrid/jqgrid.html
- nitrogen 15y ago
  Is pagination of the data (as shown in those examples) mandatory? It seems kind of annoying to have to limit the amount of data actually in the browser at one time, especially if it's done for "performance" reasons.
  - rbanffy 15y ago
    Pagination isn't even necessary if you load chunks of the table as needed. You can even render proportional scrollbars if you know how large the table should be.
- WayneDB 15y ago
  The trirand grid that you linked to doesn't even get keyboard or mouse focus right. It doesn't even get row selection right. If you think that's a good grid, I don't expect you to see anything remarkable about the grid I posted.
  - rbanffy 15y ago
    The most remarkable thing about the grid you posted is that it won't run on my computer. In fact, it won't run on any of my computers. Looking around my office, I gather it would run on about four or five computers out of the about 50 here.
    - WayneDB 15y ago
      Fine. Let's compare it to any native grid that runs on your preferred OS then.
  - ceejayoz 15y ago
    Both of those work fine here, and there are a half dozen other jQuery grids available if you want to try them out.
zbuc 15y ago
It won't even run on OS X so that's a pretty big plus for HTML UI components, given that modern web UI frameworks are all pretty reliably cross-browser.
- rhplus 15y ago
  FWIW, Silverlight does run on OS X[1]. The demo link above was for WPF. The Silverlight version is here: http://demos.telerik.com/silverlight/ http://demos.telerik.com/silverlight/ [1] http://www.microsoft.com/getsilverlight/Get-Started/Install/Default.aspx http://www.microsoft.com/getsilverlight/Get-Started/Install/...
dos1 15y ago
You've obviously never used the Telerik components. If you want to build the thing in their demo the controls are fabulous. If you want to build anything else you'll suffer more than you can imagine. I've had the misfortune to use several revisions of the Telerik for ASP.NET controls, and the Telerik for Silverlight controls. The Silverlight controls were atrocious.

by WayneDB 15y ago

frou_dh 15y ago

It does look powerful, but the font rendering is dire. So the browser gets at least one plus.

rbanffy 15y ago

Can't tell. It won't run on my computer. Which is the whole point. Gmail runs on my Mac, on my Linux machines, on my OpenSolaris server (actually, it runs OpenIndiana these days) and on my tablet. It would probably run just fine on my AIX boxes if I compiled Firefox or Chromium for them. If Google abandons it (but keep the servers running) it will continue to operate on newer computers and newer browsers until Google pulls the plug.

xradionut 15y ago
For a few decades people accessed email on text based terminals. There's plenty of applications with more complex UIs than email...
- rbanffy 15y ago
  I have other applications with more complicated UI's also relying on HTML and AJAX and they work just fine. What kind of web applications do you have that would require Silverlight or something similar?
  - WayneDB 15y ago
    How about an email application that handles keyboard acceleration really well? This can be done easily with Silverlight (in or out of the browser), but not so much with HTML. That's why Gmail has crummy keyboard handling. In Thunderbird, I can tab my way around the entire interface if I want to or use keyboard shortcuts. I'm sure the Gmail team could do a bunch of hacks to fix this, but that's the problem. You have to hack-up everything to make HTML work well as an application platform.

ceejayoz 15y ago

I don't see anything particularly remarkable there. http://www.trirand.com/blog/jqgrid/jqgrid.html http://www.trirand.com/blog/jqgrid/jqgrid.html

nitrogen 15y ago
Is pagination of the data (as shown in those examples) mandatory? It seems kind of annoying to have to limit the amount of data actually in the browser at one time, especially if it's done for "performance" reasons.
- rbanffy 15y ago
  Pagination isn't even necessary if you load chunks of the table as needed. You can even render proportional scrollbars if you know how large the table should be.
WayneDB 15y ago
The trirand grid that you linked to doesn't even get keyboard or mouse focus right. It doesn't even get row selection right. If you think that's a good grid, I don't expect you to see anything remarkable about the grid I posted.
- rbanffy 15y ago
  The most remarkable thing about the grid you posted is that it won't run on my computer. In fact, it won't run on any of my computers. Looking around my office, I gather it would run on about four or five computers out of the about 50 here.
  - WayneDB 15y ago
    Fine. Let's compare it to any native grid that runs on your preferred OS then.
- ceejayoz 15y ago
  Both of those work fine here, and there are a half dozen other jQuery grids available if you want to try them out.

zbuc 15y ago

It won't even run on OS X so that's a pretty big plus for HTML UI components, given that modern web UI frameworks are all pretty reliably cross-browser.

rhplus 15y ago
FWIW, Silverlight does run on OS X[1]. The demo link above was for WPF. The Silverlight version is here: http://demos.telerik.com/silverlight/ http://demos.telerik.com/silverlight/ [1] http://www.microsoft.com/getsilverlight/Get-Started/Install/Default.aspx http://www.microsoft.com/getsilverlight/Get-Started/Install/...

dos1 15y ago

You've obviously never used the Telerik components. If you want to build the thing in their demo the controls are fabulous. If you want to build anything else you'll suffer more than you can imagine. I've had the misfortune to use several revisions of the Telerik for ASP.NET controls, and the Telerik for Silverlight controls. The Silverlight controls were atrocious.