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I don't think the original engineer's would have anticipated the level of inaction that's occurred. Same goes for ability to build/delays/regulation

bee_rider 4y ago
"Let's use the safety buffers provided by the original designers to ignore the problem as long as we can" has been our national infrastructure plan so far this century.
- rootusrootus 4y ago
  Too busy arguing about abortion and what bathroom someone is allowed to use, whether someone is racist or communist, and if it's even possible for the government to do useful things or if private enterprise should run society. I don't see that changing anytime soon. We'll just look the other way while infrastructure crumbles around us, and then point fingers blaming each other for failing to notice.
  - rektide 4y ago
    Maybe we should vote not just on representatives, but on problems directly. Not necessarily on solutions... just, here's the cut of the top 8 issues. Work on these.
    - rootusrootus 4y ago
      I'm not opposed to a national level initiative system. It won't solve everything, of course, but I think it would help.
      - njarboe 4y ago
        Having lived in California for 25 years that has a initiative system I would disagree. The amount of trivial and/or damaging constitutional amendments passed by that system that cannot be easily removed is quite disappointing. Special interest pay to gather signatures for all kinds of bad ideas.
        rektide 4y ago
        I specifically dont see this random-ass-idea as a system for voting on proposals. I see it as a way to narrow down & reduce bullshit shitstirring topics of no real use or relevance, trying to set some priorities for what is in range for working on. It still keeps representative democracy (instead of California style direct democracy) intact; up to the representatives to work on the issues. Or perhaps even ignore the suggested cut list of relevant topics? At their peril.
    - TylerE 4y ago
      I'm not sure that would really help. If anything, it'd make things worse. Tax cuts? Passes with 98% approval Spending money on anything? No.
      - bee_rider 4y ago
        Tax cuts would pass. Spending money would too. Raising funds? Not so much.
      - bushbaba 4y ago
        California had a huge budget surplus. So there's plenty of funds to pay for massive water works infrastructure with existing tax revenue.
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bee_rider 4y ago

"Let's use the safety buffers provided by the original designers to ignore the problem as long as we can" has been our national infrastructure plan so far this century.

rootusrootus 4y ago
Too busy arguing about abortion and what bathroom someone is allowed to use, whether someone is racist or communist, and if it's even possible for the government to do useful things or if private enterprise should run society. I don't see that changing anytime soon. We'll just look the other way while infrastructure crumbles around us, and then point fingers blaming each other for failing to notice.
- rektide 4y ago
  Maybe we should vote not just on representatives, but on problems directly. Not necessarily on solutions... just, here's the cut of the top 8 issues. Work on these.
  - rootusrootus 4y ago
    I'm not opposed to a national level initiative system. It won't solve everything, of course, but I think it would help.
    - njarboe 4y ago
      Having lived in California for 25 years that has a initiative system I would disagree. The amount of trivial and/or damaging constitutional amendments passed by that system that cannot be easily removed is quite disappointing. Special interest pay to gather signatures for all kinds of bad ideas.
      - rektide 4y ago
        I specifically dont see this random-ass-idea as a system for voting on proposals. I see it as a way to narrow down & reduce bullshit shitstirring topics of no real use or relevance, trying to set some priorities for what is in range for working on. It still keeps representative democracy (instead of California style direct democracy) intact; up to the representatives to work on the issues. Or perhaps even ignore the suggested cut list of relevant topics? At their peril.
  - TylerE 4y ago
    I'm not sure that would really help. If anything, it'd make things worse. Tax cuts? Passes with 98% approval Spending money on anything? No.
    - bee_rider 4y ago
      Tax cuts would pass. Spending money would too. Raising funds? Not so much.
    - bushbaba 4y ago
      California had a huge budget surplus. So there's plenty of funds to pay for massive water works infrastructure with existing tax revenue.
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