> Torture and kill? Huh? I'm not even sure what you're talking about. Do you mean in a war zone? Extraordinary rendition, "targeted killings", enhanced interro

> Torture and kill? Huh? I'm not even sure what you're talking about. Do you mean in a war zone? Extraordinary rendition, "targeted killings", enhanced interrogation. The US often kills non US citizens on foreign soil without any due diligence. > What I will say is that given the choice between living in China and being subject to Chinese spying and living in the US subject to US spying I'll pick the US hands down every time. That's a nonsensical fallacy of choice. No one here is talking about emigration to China. We are talking about banning TikTok. The choice is between being spied on by foreign companies or by domestic companies. The correct answer is of course neither, and trying to say that being spied on by the US government is better than the Chinese government is nonsensical - if you aren't American or Chinese they are basically the same, and if you are American your own government is the only one that can opress you. > And the US has no equivalent to Hong Kong's "security" laws. Of course it does, it has the same standards whenever the US wants to occupy some country.